From: John Conzone (jkconzone@xxxxxxxx)
Date: Sat Sep 23 2000 - 20:00:39 GMT-3
Mike, I don't get into the NDA stuff, but I want to second you on your
comments regarding Alan. He was fair and gave me the benefit of the doubt.
He was also a nice guy. Ver professional and fair.
Now I'm not sure I am enjoying the process in the usual sense, but
having gone twice and bucking for my next shot, I think I undertsand what
you mean. I am really learning, and am enjoying the learning. The stress I
can do without, though.
Whats the saying about the journey being as important as the
destination? I think that may be true, but all in all I'd like to do away
with the zen philosophy at this point and pass this friggin thing!!!!!!!!!!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! My brain hurts!!!!
Later.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Chase" <mchase@broadcom.com>
To: "Robert McLean" <rmclean@cisco.com>; "ccnp today"
<ccnp_to_be@yahoo.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 6:30 PM
Subject: RE: NDA violations with this group
>
> From a legal standpoint NDA can be summarized simply as the following :
>
> The intent is not to breach the integrity of the CCIE written & lab
> methodologies.
>
> So, while you may ask questions on here that are identical to what you may
have
> taken in the lab or been asked on the written test, you may not make
reference
> to whether such material is or is not on a given test.
>
> This ensures that the vast content on here, as seen by the list members,
is ALL
> something worth studying and that there is truly no way to diffrentiate
between
> one item or another as to it's potential usefulness against a given test
in the
> CCIE realm.
>
> Someone would only recognize an identical match to a CCIE lab if they had
taken
> the same lab as the the person posting the information; but of course
that's now
> useless because neither of you will ever get the same lab ever again, and
the
> people who have not taken that lab have no idea this tidbit is even useful
> because you have not violated NDA by confirming nor denying it's
applicability
> to CCIE certification.
>
> Complex, yet stunningly easy. And besides, despite the shellshock of the
first
> test, and the stress of going after that, you get to a point where it's
just fun
> and you really couldn't learn more by spending $1000 on say a class or
something
> else, and you begin to appreciate the whole process and want to keep it in
tact.
>
> I think anyone who has taken the CCIE lab at least twice has serious
fortitude.
>
> One last comment, the proctor I had in RTP, Alan, was a true professional.
> I've taken the lab 3x so far (and have made it to day 2) and he was the
best
> proctor yet. I also was lucky to meet the proctor from Sydney who was in
RTP
> at the time, and he is a really nice guy too. Kudos to Jeff Buddemeier
in RTP
> and his staff.
>
> Except for Kathy, I would say the proctors in San Jose are terrorists.
>
> Last but not least, Broadcom chips power a wide range of Cisco products
(take a
> peek at a Catalyst 10/100 card soemtime.. or a Cisco Cable Router) and we
are
> proud to be focused on promoting Cisco Certification within our
organization.
>
> Everyone on here is very bright and I've seen some great material. Truly
a
> guru get together!
>
> Best Rgds/
>
> Mike L. Chase
> Sr. Network Architect
> ISG: Information Services Group
> Broadcom Corporation World Headquarters, BLDG A-1050
> 16215 Alton Parkway, Irvine, California 92618-3616
> OFFICE:949-585-6057|CELL:949-283-4254|FAX:949-585-6227
> "Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment
> that something else is more important than fear."
> -- Ambrose Redmoon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> Robert McLean
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 1:18 PM
> To: ccnp today; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: NDA violations with this group
>
>
> Mr Nobody@groupstudy.com,
>
> I find it incredibly funny you choose not to use your real name.
>
> I am not a CCIE yet(and yes I have been to the lab) and I was one of the
> people who noticed that NDA issues were present on this list. That is
> unacceptable.
>
> Unless integrity (one of our core values at Cisco) is maintained in the
> program it could become another "CNE" type certification. Remember when
the
> CNE was worth $? Now a CNE and $1.99 will get you a happy meal at
McDonalds.
>
> Good luck in your hunt for CCIE.
>
> Robert McLean
> Systems Engineer
> Network Service Providers
> Cisco Systems Inc.
> 3636 Nobel Drive Suite 150
> San Diego, CA 92122
> Voice 858.658.7841
> Pager 800.365.4578
> www.cisco.com
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> ccnp today
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 12:27 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: NDA violations with this group
>
>
> Why is it some of you CCIEs only get involved in this
> group to preach to us about the NDA? From my own
> personal experience with some recent CCIEs, they don't
> seem to care that much about violating the NDA policy
> BEFORE they take the test (and I can point to several
> who shared their previous labs with me) but boy does
> their opinion change once they get their cert! Then it
> was only by their hard work and dedication they
> passed. Not that I don't understand it, that's
> probably how I'll act too! I just can't stomach the
> whining! As if telling someone that multicasting will
> be on the exam will help them pass, give me a break.
> Feel free to flame!
>
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