From: Bob Chahal (bob.chahal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri Feb 23 2001 - 18:49:02 GMT-3
yea, you've got
sh run and all the other commands in IOS
but if you've got a scenario it helps you put the puzzle together. Otherwise
it's a bit like putting a jigsaw puzzle together with a picture. It's ok the
LAB isn't impossible, I was just airing my thoughts.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@mentortech.com>
To: "'Bob Chahal'" <bob.chahal@cableinet.co.uk>; <Ron.Fuller@3x.com>;
"'David Ankers'" <d.ankers@chello.nl>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>; <nobody@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:29 PM
Subject: RE: A story of woe.
> That's why you have:
>
> show interface
> show controller
> show cdp neighbor detail
>
> I believe you're given a topology along with the scenario, but still, you
> should be able to completely discover the network anyway!
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> Bob Chahal
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 2:36 PM
> To: Ron.Fuller@3x.com; David Ankers
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; nobody@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: A story of woe.
>
>
> Yea, but if it's a new setup how do you know what the possible layer 1/2
> network should be if you don't have any reference. It's like saying
here's
> 8 routers and a switch with screwed logical addressing and all sorts of
> other problems, now make it work like the network it should be but you
have
> never seen. Am I missing something here?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Ron.Fuller@3x.com>
> To: "David Ankers" <d.ankers@chello.nl>
> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>; <nobody@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 4:38 PM
> Subject: Re: A story of woe.
>
>
> >
> > David,
> > When I took my lab in Halifax last April, the TS sesction was a
> > totally new network. Different layer 1,2 and 3. I was under the
> > impression that this was going to become the standard TS setup for all
of
> > the labs. My docs from Day 1 and Day 2 AM couldn't help me if I wanted
> > them to. I also had attempted the lab before so I never made it to TS
> > before. It was a REAL bear to get the new network working properly. :)
> > The best methodology for TS on the lab is the same as any
troubleshooting
> > in the real world. Start at layer 1 and work your way up. Once you get
> > the network cabled properly and then your layer 2 working, layer 3
should
> > fall into place.
> >
> > Good luck next time.
> > Ron Fuller, CCIE #5851, CCDP, CCNP-ATM, CCNP-Security, CCNP-Voice, MCNE
> > 3X Corporation
> > rfuller@3x.com
> >
> >
> >
> > David Ankers
> > <d.ankers@che To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > llo.nl> cc:
> > Sent by: Subject: A story of woe.
> > nobody@groups
> > tudy.com
> >
> >
> > 02/21/2001
> > 12:19 PM
> > Please
> > respond to
> > David Ankers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Group,
> >
> > I'd like to give a little something back that might help someone else's
> lab
> > attempt where mine failed. It all started Monday morning with my first
> > attempt at the lab in Brussels, arrived early feeling relaxed as I only
> was
> > interested in having a look what the lab was about as apparently nobody
> > really passes first time anyway. Day 1 started a little slowly, read
the
> > whole exam and although it was demanding I've spent a lot of time
studying
> > and I felt I could at least configure everything, this was the first
time
> I
> > though "hey, might make it to see what day two is about". From their on
in
> > it
> > just got better, as I configured each section in turn and tested it, I
> knew
> > it was the best could do and I didn't spot any issues. I finished the
> > whole
> > of day with one and a half hours to spare, checked everything and left
at
> > the
> > end of the day. I missed only 2 points from day one due to a not really
> > understanding the question.
> >
> > So, I got to see day two, I had a feeling what was on it as I knew what
> > main
> > topics where missing from day 1, they are not my strongest but at least
I
> > get
> > to see the day 2 lab. I opened the folder and read the exam and it
wasn't
> > too
> > bad, there were a couple of things I didn't know 100% but I just got my
> > head
> > down. I finished the first run of day two and looked at the clock, only
45
> > mins, I checked a few things with the CD, got a coffee and went back and
> > did
> > the lab again. I did everything I knew and even if I had a week longer I
> > would not have spotted the issues I lost points on. On day two I lost a
> > total
> > of 4 points.
> >
> > Having lost only 6 points I was going to make it to troubleshooting. I
> > thought, great I get to see what troubleshooting is like not bad for a
> > first
> > go and it'll really make the second attempt easier. Then I thought, hey
I
> > only need less than half the points and I've passed, there might not
even
> > be
> > a second attempt Once I realized this, I got nervous, badly. In the time
> > between lunch and troubleshooting I went completely to bits and
> > troubleshooting was a disaster, a total of 8 points. Its indicated on
the
> > Cisco web page and in Cisco press books that a passing score is 80
points
> > so
> > I its within the NDA to say I only needed 11 points on TS. It wasn't
only
> > going to bits on the TS, even if I would have stayed calm I don't think
I
> > would have passed, my troubleshooting was awful. I didn't know where to
> > start
> > what router to start on etc. In fact the first 2 mins went very well as
I
> > checked if I had access via the console port to enable mode to all
routers
> > and fixed the problems in 2 mins. It's when I had full access that
things
> > went wrong.
> >
> > Now I need your help like I've never needed it before :-) How is the
best
> > way
> > to handle troubleshooting? I know the idea is to get layer 1 up then
layer
> > 2,
> > no problem I did that but all the layer 3 addressing etc was just plain
> > messed up, the amount of errors was massive. Just didn't know where to
> > start
> > and with the nerves I wasn't thinking straight either. Lesson here stay
> > calm.
> >
> > Two things, help with the methology, first do I keep the messed up
> > addresses
> > and try and fix them or do I re-type my ones on my map? What do I work
on
> > first, getting connections between just two routers for all protocols
and
> > move on from there or do I get all of ip running on all routers then do
> the
> > routing + other protocols?
> >
> > What I'm thinking is if I had a network like this:
> >
> > R1-R2-R3-R4-R5
> >
> > Lets say layer 2 is sorted. I should get R1 to talk IP with R2 and then
R2
> > to
> > talk ip with R3 and then R3 to talk with R4 etc... Then check the
routing
> > protocols are running on the correct interfaces and see if this routing
> > protocol works between all routers i.e. I can see R5's routes from R1
and
> > vice versa?
> >
> > My biggest mistake was not thinking about TS before at all, the first
time
> > I've really had a clear head to think about what I should have done is
> now.
> > I
> > never expected to get anywhere near it and when I did I froze because I
> had
> > no plan at all. Hopefully another bit of advise, if your reading this
and
> > think you do troubleshooting everyday so it should be OK, the lab is not
> > everyday TS, it a lot of problems in a very short space of time, without
a
> > real plan of attack it's very difficult.
> >
> > Any ideas on how you either did this or think is a good idea? Also if I
> > make
> > a lab on my home rack would any of you guys be willing to either A let
me
> > send you the configs you mess them up and I'll tftp them to start up and
> > realod or B log into my rack and mess them up badly. Won't be straight
> away
> > because I want some time off now.
> >
> > Well, I'm not yet a CCIE but seeing the lab helped a lot and also
> confirmed
> > that I have actually learnt something over the years. 12 people started
> the
> > lab and 4 gained thier CCIEs, one of these had 57 points going in to TS.
> > The
> > ones that failed on day 1 never expected it to be that hard and there
was
> > some really wacky stuff that really tested your knowledge in some
serious
> > depth. From the experience I'm happy at the standard of the questions
and
> > the
> > way the exam is run, I failed fairly as it was a really weak point that
> > brought me down and nothing more.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > David.
> >
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