From: Craig Elrod (celrod@cisco.com)
Date: Thu Sep 05 2002 - 13:56:33 GMT-3
Paul is right in every assessment.
At 12:25 PM 6/25/2002 -0400, David Wolsefer wrote:
>There is no question about it. This is a black and white violation. Here is
>the test from my score report:
>
>****************************************************************************
>THIS SCORE REPORT SHOULD NOT BE FORWARDED, IT IS INTENDED FOR INFORMATIONAL
>PURPOSES ONLY BY THE CANDIDATE, AND IT IS A NDA VIOLATION TO SHARE IT.
>****************************************************************************
>
>Regards,
>
>David Wolsefer, CCIE #5858
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: chris@pacinter.net [mailto:chris@pacinter.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:56 AM
>To: McCallum, Robert; 'Paul'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: Re: My lab experience
>
>
>How is discussing your score report a violation? As long as you don't cover
>any portion of the test you are still in good standing. If I tell someone I
>scored 8% on BGP how is that violating the NDA!? It isn't, it is only
>telling someone how poorly I did on a particular section. A violation of the
>NDA would be releasing any information related to the exam itself. If he was
>to ask a question that was specifically on his lab, then that would be a
>violation, simply sharing percentages is not!
>
>-c
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "McCallum, Robert" <Robert.McCallum@let-it-be-thus.com>
>To: "'Paul'" <sixfooter777@btopenworld.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 8:16 AM
>Subject: RE: My lab experience
>
>
> > You do know that discussing your score report in anyway is a violation of
>the NDA !!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul [mailto:sixfooter777@btopenworld.com]
> > Sent: 25 June 2002 15:53
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: My lab experience
> >
> >
> > I took my lab yesterday in Brussels. It was my first go and unfortunately
>I
> > didn't make it thru. However I think it's a good thing for hopefully some
>of
> > you who are awaiting you lab date and also myself to say a few words about
> > the lab itself.
> >
> > Like other posts I have read, the lab is very much doable and yes time is
>a
> > factor but not as much as you might think. I personally had a couple of
> > hours spare to revisit a few things and find a few more mistakes I had
>made.
> >
> > The test itself is more about not what they ask you to do but what they
> > don't ask you to do and apparently as long as you don't do something they
> > forbid you to do and it works then that's fine.
> >
> > The proctor I had in Brussels was a good guy and had a good attitude which
> > was "there's your booklet, get on with it" and they left you alone which
>was
> > fine.
> >
> > Now my whinge. The scoring on the exam is in points and there are
>sections.
> > The results you get for each section are in percentages. OK, you can
>roughly
> > convert points into percentages but to me, the whole marking system is a
>big
> > grey area and one that Cisco really need to address. On the 2-day lab I
> > would have had some idea on where I would have gone wrong. Now, I am
>totally
> > in the dark. For example, I thought I'd got the Dial section 100 per cent
> > but I get 60 per cent. Why ? I will never know. Show me any book or
> > experiences that will help me here. It seems that another factor in the
>lab
> > exam is insider knowledge and that is wrong. With the majority of
>candidates
> > I suspect financing their lab exam privately and without the help of
> > expensive training sources ( just by private lab practice ), many of us
>are
> > at a disservice.
> >
> > I hate to say it but it seems the CCIE is more about who you know than
>what
> > you know and that's why I won't probably continue on this path because I
> > don't have deep pockets but for all of you that aspire, good luck.
> >
> > Paul.
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