From: Fanglo MA (fangloma@pacific.net.hk)
Date: Thu Sep 19 2002 - 00:24:08 GMT-3
Wow, I like the last statement before Thanks.
Thanks.
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Tim Ross wrote:
> I'm not sure I get the point either. In your post you said you have
> experience, and got in the business for the money, yet you did not become a
> CCIE when you could make a lot of money by being a CCIE. Now that the job
> market is not so good for CCIE's you want to become a CCIE. Also, please do
> not start limiting the number of CCIEs per country until after I pass.
> Thanks.
>
> Happy studying,
> Tim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rich" <rich@pixguru.com>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:43 PM
> Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
>
>
> > Could you possibly miss the point any more?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Larus" <tlarus@cox.net>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:54 AM
> > Subject: MS-CCIE
> >
> >
> > > If the CCIE is not worth much these days, and you are in it primarily
> for
> > > the
> > > money, and you already have a good job, and respect, and know so much
> more
> > > than those "lab rat" CCIEs, just stop pursuing the CCIE.
> > >
> > > You don't need it.
> > >
> > > You should stand pat on your experience and be comfortable in knowing
> that
> > > years of experience will always trump demonstrated intelligence.
> > >
> > > Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "rich" <rich@pixguru.com>
> > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:04 PM
> > > Subject: MS-CCIE
> > >
> > >
> > > > A couple of years ago, at the height of the dot com era, a CCIE in my
> > area
> > > > could easily pull in 150k. Did I start down this road for the money?
> > > Hell
> > > > yes. I already had field experience, a good job, seniority, respect,
> > and
> > > all
> > > > that stuff that makes work fun. Besides, CCIE would be a challenge.
> > But
> > > a
> > > > LOT has changed in the past couple of years. Bad economy. Fewer
> jobs.
> > > > Lowered salaries. And apparently a butt load of CCIE's! I mean wow!
> > And
> > > to
> > > > hear that many of them are just lab ccie's really brings the 8000+
> > CCIE's
> > > into
> > > > a different light. It brings my own efforts into the same light. It
> > > reminds
> > > > me of what happened to Novell certifications... I had just gotten my
> CNE
> > > when
> > > > I heard the term 'paper CNE' about a guy at the same company who
> carried
> > > cue
> > > > cards around to customers with commands written on them.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't gotten my ccie yet but I'm hoping to. My chances would
> > probably
> > > be
> > > > greatly enhanced by going to a boot-camp, but I feel that would just
> add
> > > to
> > > > the problem. Maybe limiting the number of active CCIE's in a country
> > > would
> > > > keep the certification from getting too bloated. Or maybe just stop
> the
> > > > certification process now or at a fixed number. Or better yet, allow
> no
> > > more
> > > > than 1000 a year (total) to be certified. Candidate selection process
> > > could
> > > > be a weighted drawing (increased chances every year).
> > > >
> > > > I'm not trying to criticize anyone's efforts, but rather express the
> > > results
> > > > of those efforts. It's kind of liking moving into a new, quiet,
> > expensive
> > > > neighborhood. It's great until everyone else moves in, and suddenly
> > that
> > > > expensive house isn't worth what you paid for it.
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