RE: MS-CCIE

From: Larson, Chris (CLarson@usaid.gov)
Date: Thu Sep 19 2002 - 10:06:52 GMT-3


I believe this is the real driver behind the CCIE and cert tracks in
general. More so then any money they may or may not make from the lab
itself.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larson, Chris [SMTP:CLarson@usaid.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:31 AM
> To: 'Meyer, J. (Johan)'; 'Tim Ross'; rich; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: MS-CCIE
>
> More important then revenue from the lab itself, at this time when other
> companies are failing or having a hard time selling there product it
> behooves Cisco more then ever to get as many Cisco certified people in the
> field. Cisco people in the field tend to promote Cisco products as that is
> what they are most familiar with. What better sales people then Cisco
> certified professionals. Even in times of great economics it is good for
> Cisco to have as many certified people in the field as possible to help
> sell
> their products and technologies.
>
> When/if there is a recovery in the IT marketplace and people start
> building
> or replacing older network equipment with new stuff, the majority of these
> contracts and jobs are likely to go to candidates who have network
> certifications. What are the most respected network certs? And therefore
> what kind of equipment is going to be talked about most by these people?
> The
> equipment they are most familiar with............. Cisco.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Meyer, J. (Johan) [SMTP:JohanMe@nedcor.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 3:18 AM
> > To: 'Tim Ross'; rich; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: MS-CCIE
> >
> > Lets look at the BIG Picture!!
> >
> > Cisco is a Successful aggresive Bussiness so I dont think they will
> limit
> > this certification.
> > It brings in a span of money!
> > That is why it was changed from a 2 day to a 1 day LAB as before when
> they
> > could schedule
> > max 2 labs a week they can now have 6 .Thats 3 times the revenue than
> > before!!
> > What succesful Bussiness man would turn that down!!
> >
> >
> > Johan
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim Ross [mailto:ross2k@pclv.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:40 AM
> > To: rich; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure I get the point either. In your post you said you have
> > experience, and got in the business for the money, yet you did not
> become
> > a
> > CCIE when you could make a lot of money by being a CCIE. Now that the
> job
> > market is not so good for CCIE's you want to become a CCIE. Also,
> please
> > do
> > not start limiting the number of CCIEs per country until after I pass.
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Happy studying,
> > Tim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "rich" <rich@pixguru.com>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
> >
> >
> > > Could you possibly miss the point any more?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tom Larus" <tlarus@cox.net>
> > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:54 AM
> > > Subject: MS-CCIE
> > >
> > >
> > > > If the CCIE is not worth much these days, and you are in it
> primarily
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > money, and you already have a good job, and respect, and know so
> much
> > more
> > > > than those "lab rat" CCIEs, just stop pursuing the CCIE.
> > > >
> > > > You don't need it.
> > > >
> > > > You should stand pat on your experience and be comfortable in
> knowing
> > that
> > > > years of experience will always trump demonstrated intelligence.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "rich" <rich@pixguru.com>
> > > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:04 PM
> > > > Subject: MS-CCIE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > A couple of years ago, at the height of the dot com era, a CCIE in
> > my
> > > area
> > > > > could easily pull in 150k. Did I start down this road for the
> > money?
> > > > Hell
> > > > > yes. I already had field experience, a good job, seniority,
> > respect,
> > > and
> > > > all
> > > > > that stuff that makes work fun. Besides, CCIE would be a
> challenge.
> > > But
> > > > a
> > > > > LOT has changed in the past couple of years. Bad economy. Fewer
> > jobs.
> > > > > Lowered salaries. And apparently a butt load of CCIE's! I mean
> > wow!
> > > And
> > > > to
> > > > > hear that many of them are just lab ccie's really brings the 8000+
> > > CCIE's
> > > > into
> > > > > a different light. It brings my own efforts into the same light.
> > It
> > > > reminds
> > > > > me of what happened to Novell certifications... I had just gotten
> my
> > CNE
> > > > when
> > > > > I heard the term 'paper CNE' about a guy at the same company who
> > carried
> > > > cue
> > > > > cards around to customers with commands written on them.
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't gotten my ccie yet but I'm hoping to. My chances would
> > > probably
> > > > be
> > > > > greatly enhanced by going to a boot-camp, but I feel that would
> just
> > add
> > > > to
> > > > > the problem. Maybe limiting the number of active CCIE's in a
> > country
> > > > would
> > > > > keep the certification from getting too bloated. Or maybe just
> stop
> > the
> > > > > certification process now or at a fixed number. Or better yet,
> > allow
> > no
> > > > more
> > > > > than 1000 a year (total) to be certified. Candidate selection
> > process
> > > > could
> > > > > be a weighted drawing (increased chances every year).
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not trying to criticize anyone's efforts, but rather express
> the
> > > > results
> > > > > of those efforts. It's kind of liking moving into a new, quiet,
> > > expensive
> > > > > neighborhood. It's great until everyone else moves in, and
> suddenly
> > > that
> > > > > expensive house isn't worth what you paid for it.



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