From: Joseph Rinehart (jjrinehart@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Jan 16 2003 - 20:46:58 GMT-3
Always a good question, I was curious as to what the opinion was (from those
who took a bootcamp there) as to whether the 40 hour bootcamp was sufficient
in preparation. I have checked around a lot for a decent but affordable
bootcamp and got severe sticker shock (starting at 3000 and up to 10,000).
The value prop for me is by taking a bootcamp avoids a large number of lab
attempts (at 1250 per exam its pricey to take many times).
Any input?
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Sinclair" <sinclairj@powertel.com.au>
To: "'Chris Home'" <clarson52@comcast.net>; "Todd Veillette"
<tveillette@myeastern.com>; "cebuano" <cebu2ccie@cox.net>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:35 PM
Subject: RE: OT:Cyscoexpert and NLI Experiences
> This raises an interesting issue of value of the lab? I know Peter Van
Oene
> often brings up this as an issue.
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Home [mailto:clarson52@comcast.net]
> Sent: Friday, 17 January 2003 00:18
> To: Todd Veillette; cebuano
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OT:Cyscoexpert and NLI Experiences
>
> Good point. I have often thought that real world experience has led to
> confusion and detraction from lab study.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Todd Veillette" <tveillette@myeastern.com>
> To: "cebuano" <cebu2ccie@cox.net>
> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:55 AM
> Subject: Re: OT:Cyscoexpert and NLI Experiences
>
>
> > Well I am one. I have taken the lab twice,
> > both unsucessful. I have literally thousands
> > of hours on Routers, Switches, etc. over the last
> > 10 years or so. Unfortunately, 95% of all my
> > configuration time is real world. Minimum
> > 10 hours a day every day last 3 years especially.
> >
> > I would attribute my not passing to two factors.
> > Lots of real world experience, definately detracts from
> > the "off the wall things you must accomplish in the lab".
> > The 2 methodologies detract from each other. Real world
> > you have to make it work, with a specific goal of keeping
> > everything stable, so correct design and optimumization are
> > of utmost importantance. The lab - speed at which you can mesh
> > all kinds of off the walls scenarios together, in a fashion that as long
> > as it limps its good to go.
> > Second, a human charasteristic, I was dealt more than my fair share
> > of brain "RAM", it just happens to be the 60mSec access type vs,
> > the 10uSec access type :-).
> >
> > -TV
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "cebuano" <cebu2ccie@cox.net>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:30 AM
> > Subject: RE: OT:Cyscoexpert and NLI Experiences
> >
> >
> > > Okay,
> > > How come we NEVER hear from people who attend bootcamps and up to this
> > > day still can't pass the lab?
> > > What I'm saying is that there has to be some kind of "Pre-assessment"
> > > test/lab for potential customers so they know whether they're going to
> > > really benefit from these bootcamps or just waste their precious
> > > dollars.
> > >
> > > Personally, if I was running a bootcamp, I'd SCREEN my "students" so
> > > they don't go out to the public criticizing my training program for
not
> > > getting what it's designed to accomplish. I know there is NO guarantee
> > > in these bootcamps.
> > >
> > > I'm sure there are a lot of potential customers on this list who have
> > > the same reservations on spending a couple thousand dollars.
> > >
> > > My 2 cents.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> > > Chris Home
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:35 PM
> > > To: jim.phillipo@guardent.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: OT:Cyscoexpert and NLI Experiences
> > >
> > > I have heard excellent things about CyscoExpert and know a lot of
> > > people
> > > who passed first time who give them lot's of credit!!
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <jim.phillipo@guardent.com>
> > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:59 PM
> > > Subject: OT:Cyscoexpert and NLI Experiences
> > >
> > >
> > > > I am looking into a bootcamp and these two seem to both be very
good.
> > > >
> > > > Any input ?
> > > >
> > > > TIA
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
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