From: Shane Marquis (Shane.Marquis@busint.com.au)
Date: Tue Jul 01 2003 - 01:48:24 GMT-3
Tim - drop it - it's over
Shane
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Snow, Tim [mailto:timothy.snow@eds.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 2:35 PM
> To: 'iron_tri'; 'Emad '; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: RTR command
>
> My management response was not directed at you in particular, it was meant
> for all, in response to the fact that even when told what a technology is
> called and is easy to find that one would have to be hand lead to where it
> is located. Also, my management comment was based on most of the managers
> that I've met including some at my current job and previous ones and is
> obviously not all.
>
> If you must know, I went to Cyscoexpert just to make sure that I was where
> I
> needed to be for the lab and I believe that I did get the reinforcement
> that
> I needed.
>
> Your "tosser" comment was out of line and believe it should get you banned
> but since this is an open forum that is most likely not going to happen so
> my only comment is "toss this ...."
>
> END.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: iron_tri [mailto:iron_tri@msn.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 11:29 PM
> To: Snow, Tim; 'Emad '; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: RTR command
>
>
> Management? Weak response dude. The Managers that I work for all have
> their CCIE certifications. They are great mentors, and great engineers.
> However, they have figured out what thing that you have not, character
> will
> define your career path. I have met CCIEs who don't deserve to be in IT,
> as
> a matter of fact, one that works for one of my competitors just got kicked
> off of a customer site for his attitude, one just like your attitude.
> Lost
> his job the next day.
>
> Why did you go to CyscoExpert? To find answers? You couldn't just look
> them up on CCO? Say whatever you want to say, but your harsh reply to
> someone asking an innocent question was in bad taste. You actually define
> "old school" IT dude....you are perfect for IT. Please stay out of any
> consulting position or management position. Stay in IT. Keep making
> people
> feel bad for asking a question, and then some day, you will be looking in
> the mirror asking yourself a question....with a pink slip in your hand,
> and
> it will probably be because you made a wisecrack or made someone feel dumb
> for asking a question.
>
> Please, stay in whatever IT position you are in today. You are a perfect
> IT
> person.
>
> Good luck in IT, Tosser.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Snow, Tim" <timothy.snow@eds.com>
> To: "'iron_tri'" <iron_tri@msn.com>; "'Emad '" <emad@zakq8.com>;
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 8:53 PM
> Subject: RE: RTR command
>
>
> > Your wisecrack deserves a response. I was at CyscoExpert last week
> where
> I
> > had met Peter and the other great folks at cyscoexpert.com which is why
> I
> > made the joke towards Peter but the itself email was in response to the
> > original train.
> >
> > If you ask a question and get a response such as "Service Assurance
> Agent"
> > and you can't find it on cisco.com or quite possible not even looked,
> you
> > shouldn't be a CCIE and probably shouldn't even be in IT. Management
> would
> > be the correct place to be spoon fed *grin*.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: iron_tri [mailto:iron_tri@msn.com]
> > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:30 PM
> > To: Snow, Tim; 'Emad '; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: RTR command
> >
> >
> > Part of being a good SE is using ALL available resources to find an
> answer.
> > There is nothing wrong with doing the search on CCO, asking the question
> on
> > GroupStudy, calling TAC, calling the PreSales hotline (mainly for
> product
> > information), and also asking your local Cisco team for some assistance
> are
> > all fair game when trying to find an answer...all at the same time if
> you
> > want to do so to solve your problem. The fastest one to return the
> answer
> > wins... There is no wrong way to find information or answers to a
> question.
> >
> > And, based on the post you sent earlier, if you are going to kiss
> > someone's behind for being a Triple CCIE, do it offline would you? I'm
> sure
> > he gets more hits, he works for CyscoExpert. But, I guess you could
> have
> > searched through his message to find that answer, huh?
> >
> > That's all there is to this nonsense, so let's get back to studying for
> the
> > lab, shall we?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Snow, Tim" <timothy.snow@eds.com>
> > To: "'Emad '" <emad@zakq8.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 6:06 PM
> > Subject: RE: RTR command
> >
> >
> > > I seemed to have misplaced your last comment/email but I felt the need
> to
> > > reply.
> > >
> > > I went to cisco.com, type in "Service Assurance Agent" in the pretty
> > little
> > > text box and clicked on the fourth link and found more than I need to
> > about
> > > the SAA function and the corresponding "rtr" global command.
> > >
> > > The reason I brought this up is that, how is it possible for a CCIE
> > > candidate to not be familiar with how to search and navigate the
> website
> > to
> > > find information. Not only just for the lab, but I couldn't imagine
> > working
> > > in a "ccie" level position and not being able to find simple
> information
> > on
> > > the website without flooding the groupstudy list with it and then
> > following
> > > that up with a "Thanx a lot" message that also got send to 2000+
> people.
> > >
> > > Is it neccessary?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Snow, Tim [mailto:timothy.snow@eds.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 5:53 AM
> > > To: 'Emad '; 'Peter'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: RTR command
> > >
> > >
> > > Couldn't you have just searched the cisco website for it? I mean,
> that's
> > all
> > > Peter did and you could have done the same since he gave you the name
> of
> > the
> > > technology.
> > >
> > > As a side note, Peter, do you get more hits being a triple CCIE than
> us
> > mere
> > > mortals do? *grin*
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Emad [mailto:emad@zakq8.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 12:48 AM
> > > To: 'Peter'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: RTR command
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanx a lot
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Peter
> > > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 7:32 AM
> > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: RTR command
> > >
> > > For example here:
> > >
> > >
> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/partner/products/sw/iosswrel/ps1835/products_
> > > conf
> > > iguration_guide_chapter09186a00800ca71a.html
> > >
> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/partner/products/sw/iosswrel/ps1835/products_
> > > comm
> > > and_reference_chapter09186a00800ca72e.html
> > >
> > > _____________________________
> > > Peter
> > > #7247 (R&S, Security, C&S)
> > > CyscoExpert Corp.
> > > 4433 W. Touhy Ave. Suite 410
> > > Lincolnwood, IL 60712
> > > Phone (847) 674-3392
> > > Toll Free (866) CyscoXP (297-2697)
> > > Fax (847) 674-2625
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Emad " <emad@zakq8.com>
> > > To: "'Peter Puczko'" <peter@cyscoexpert.com>
> > > Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 11:22 PM
> > > Subject: RE: RTR command
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thanx Peter,
> > > > But u have any official document about this subject describing it?
> > > >
> > > > Thanx in advance
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > > Of
> > > > Peter Puczko
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 6:17 AM
> > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: Re: RTR command
> > > >
> > > > Absolutely. The feature configured using this command is called SAA
> > > > (Service
> > > > Assurance Agent).
> > > >
> > > > _____________________________
> > > > Peter
> > > > #7247 (R&S, Security, C&S)
> > > > CyscoExpert Corp.
> > > > 4433 W. Touhy Ave. Suite 410
> > > > Lincolnwood, IL 60712
> > > > Phone (847) 674-3392
> > > > Toll Free (866) CyscoXP (297-2697)
> > > > Fax (847) 674-2625
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Emad " <emad@zakq8.com>
> > > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 10:06 AM
> > > > Subject: RTR command
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Folks,
> > > > > Did anybody heard about rtr global command before ?
> > > > >
> > > > > thanx
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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