From: Peng Jia (jiapeng@cisco.com)
Date: Tue Sep 16 2003 - 02:17:54 GMT-3
Hi Paul
The CCIE voice mailing list will be very very useful!
At 10:38 2003-09-15 -0400, Paul Borghese wrote:
>Hey,
>
>Is anyone interested in a CCIE voice mailing list? I have had a few
>requests in the past and can set that up for us if people will find it
>useful.
>
>Paul
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>Scott Morris
>Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:08 PM
>To: 'Barman, Partha'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: RE: voice track
>
>Yup. Looks to be a royal pain, but a little exciting along the way! :)
>
>Scott
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>Barman, Partha
>Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 7:49 PM
>To: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com '
>Subject: RE: voice track
>
>
>So, is there anybody out here going for the CCIE Voice track :?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Williams
>To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Tony Schaffran'; 'Thomas Larus'; 'ccie done';
>ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Sent: 9/13/2003 8:43 PM
>Subject: RE: voice track
>
>I agree that anyone that does network would benefit from (and probably
>has) experience with MS servers of some sort. Many people I know in
>networking worked their way from Desktop/Workstation support, on through
>Server support/admin and then over to networking.
>
>However, I understand what they're saying about moving back towards MS
>server admin with IP Telephony. Even tho (as you pointed out) you can
>buy pre-configured systems, there are still patches, updates, service
>packs, etc that you will then need to keep up on. I for one have no
>desire to deal with server administration, even at that level.
>
>I also agree that the most fun part is the QoS, dial plans, etc......
>I'd be much more likely to hand the actual MS-based servers (support)
>over to our server team to maintain....... (not that I *couldn't* do it,
>as I understand the servers as well as they do, but it's a headache.....
>One that I got into networking to get away from)
>
>Mike W.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>Scott Morris
>Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 10:38 AM
>To: 'Tony Schaffran'; 'Thomas Larus'; 'ccie done';
>ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: RE: voice track
>
>
>Like any other area though, there are the right people for the right
>job.
>
>Are you telling me that the data networks you work on don't have
>servers? That you don't have to be familiar with things on the servers
>in order to make the network work right? Did that mean you administered
>the servers directly?
>
>Nobody lives in a microcosm. On any decent sized deployment, there
>should be server admins to handle the basic MS stuff. All in all
>though, the CM system comes pretty well set now-days, and the patches
>are blessed by Cisco aren't huge in number. So let the MS admins do the
>MS admin stuff.
>
>How much MS admin do you have to do? I certainly haven't done all that
>much on systems I've worked on.
>
>The fun stuff about IPTel is working with the QoS (LAN and WAN) and
>setting up security, and creating the exciting dial plans and route
>lists. That can be just as complicated and exciting as any routing
>protocol can.
>
>Bottom line is that you shouldn't have to do much MS admin work. Cisco's
>done a decent job of moving away from that. Unity initial setup being a
>different story if you choose to not by a pre-configured system (MCS
>platform) from Cisco. Otherwise though, the ones I've done haven't been
>that bad! (maybe I just have a high MS tolerance level *shrug*)
>
>Scott
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>Tony Schaffran
>Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 11:26 AM
>To: 'Thomas Larus'; 'ccie done'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: RE: voice track
>
>
>Tom,
>
>I have slipped into the world of IP Telephony and I can tell you from my
>experience that it is much less enjoyable because of the reasons you
>have pointed out. If anyone has worked with Microsoft servers and had
>to maintain them, they should know what we are talking about. Yes, the
>work is there, but you are being sucked into being a microsoft server
>administrator. Been there, done that, didn't like it. That is why I
>have chosen to be a CCIE.
>
>Tony Schaffran
>Network Analyst
>CCIE #11071
>CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
>NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
>
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>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>Thomas Larus
>Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 8:23 AM
>To: ccie done; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: Re: voice track
>
>
>I was just wondering if anyone else has found IP Telephony to be a much
>less enjoyable area than routing and switching. I know it is a great
>area for finding work, but I am speaking here of how enjoyable the work
>or subject matter has turned out to be for you.
>
>I am a language person, and enjoy the Cisco IOS because it is intuitive,
>powerful and flexible. PIX OS is almost as good, but not quite as
>user-friendly because it lacks the magnificent interactive help feature
>that tells you the possible options at any stage.
>
>I find building and configuring servers (even using a GUI) a whole lot
>less fun. And a lot more tedious. A lot of IP Telephony involves
>configuring servers, patching servers, rebuilding servers when there is
>a serious problem, carefully dealing with backup and restore and
>registry issues.
>
>The whole business of running complex applications on top of a Microsoft
>OS is a whole lot more risky than using features that are built into
>IOS. When something goes wrong on a router, I feel more confident about
>being able to find a solution. With Microsoft, a misplaced DLL or one
>wrong registry value (among thousands) can hang or crash everything, and
>very few people would know exactly how to fix it.
>
>Now the hardware and IOS side of Voice can be a lot of fun. QOS
>features necessary for Voice to work properly are fascinating.
>
>Anyone else feel the same way?
>
>Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014 (Routing and Switching)
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "ccie done" <ccie1@lycos.com>
>To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 5:50 AM
>Subject: voice track
>
>
> > hello list :)
> > after long break time one must come back :)
> >
> > i am wondering if anyone here intersted in the new voice track ..seems
>
> > to
>be a nice track and trend coming up ..is there a plan to have separate
>list for that track ??
> >
> > since im strating to build my voice-track setup ..is there a big
>difference between the 6503 and the 5500 previously used in the R&S exam
>?? or 5500 will do the job .
> >
> >
> >
> > anyone interested to discuss about the voice ..just answer
> >
> >
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