From: Devi Mallampalli (Devi.Mallampalli@chubb.com.au)
Date: Tue May 04 2004 - 10:29:54 GMT-3
Hi Brian/ Ken ,
I think you do NOT need "dialer-map" in order to make "dialer-watch" to
work. So it works on both Legacy DDR as well as Dialer profiles.
The other day , we have tested positively the below Dialer watch config
on a Dialer interface where I am not using any dialer maps. As you can
note I am watching 3 routes ( on Data , Voice and Management vlan) , if
she looses any of them Dialer watch fires the Dialer interface as she is
aware where to call ( with string) and whom to call ( dialer remote name
).
And it works 10 out 10 times.
interface Serial1/0:15
 description *** OnRamp30 Service # A039322-3400 K1001 ***
 no ip address
 encapsulation ppp
 dialer pool-member 1
 isdn switch-type primary-net5
 no fair-queue
 no cdp enable
interface Dialer1
  bandwidth 2048
 ip unnumbered Loopback2
 ip pim sparse-mode
 service-policy output WAN-EDGE
 encapsulation ppp
  dialer pool 1
 dialer remote-name au200r02-backup
 dialer idle-timeout 10
 dialer watch-disable 180
 dialer string 0297974600
 dialer watch-group 3
 dialer watch-group 2
 dialer watch-group 1
 ppp authentication chap
 ppp chap hostname au300r02-backup
 ppp multilink
 ppp multilink fragment-delay 10
 multilink min-links 29
dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit
dialer watch-list 1 ip 10.0.250.1 255.255.255.255
dialer watch-list 1 delay route-check initial 120
dialer watch-list 2 ip 10.22.2.254 255.255.255.255
dialer watch-list 2 delay route-check initial 120
dialer watch-list 3 ip 10.18.2.0 255.255.255.240
dialer watch-list 3 delay route-check initial 120
Regards
Devi.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McGahan [mailto:bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:18 PM
To: Kenneth Wygand; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: What is the best way to become ISDN smart
Ken,
        In short, yes it is required.
HTH,
Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593
bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com 
Internetwork Expert, Inc.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> Kenneth Wygand
> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 6:10 AM
> To: Kian Wah Lai; MMoniz; ccie2be; CCIE Canidate;
ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
> Subject: RE: What is the best way to become ISDN smart
> 
> Hey Brian and group,
> 
> Do you know if the "dialer map" is still required for the network
being
> watched through Dialer Watch?  According to Kian's tests, it is not 
> required and Cisco doesn't list it as a configuration requirement. 
> However, they do illustrate its use and purpose in their configuration
> example at the bottom of the same link:
> 
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr/
fd
> ia
>
<http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr
/f
> dia>
> l_c/fnsprt6/dcdbakdw.htm#19111
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Ken
> 
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Kian Wah Lai [mailto:kian_wah@qala.com.sg]
> 	Sent: Sun 5/2/2004 2:39 AM
> 	To: Kenneth Wygand; 'MMoniz'; 'ccie2be'; 'CCIE Canidate'; 
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> 	Cc:
> 	Subject: RE: What is the best way to become ISDN smart
> 
> 
> 
> 	I tested it just now and here is what I've found
> 	R1 connected to R2 via Ethernet and ISDN. R1 is having a loop
back
> int which
> 	I'll use it for dialer watch-list. The routers that I've used
are
> the one
> 	with the real ISDN line. I didn't manage to try the one on PEC,
think 
> there
> 	are some problems with the simulator (can't even dial through)
> 
> 
> 	R1:
> 	interface BRI0/0
> 	 ip address 172.16.1.1 255.255.255.0
> 	 encapsulation ppp
> 	 ip ospf demand-circuit
> 	 dialer map ip 172.16.1.2 broadcast <num>
> 	 dialer load-threshold 255 either
> 	 dialer-group 1
> 	 isdn switch-type basic-net3
> 	 no peer neighbor-route
> 	end
> 
> 	R2:
> 	interface BRI0/0
> 	 ip address 172.16.1.2 255.255.255.0
> 	 encapsulation ppp
> 	 dialer watch-disable 10
> 	 dialer map ip 172.16.1.1 broadcast <num>
> 	 dialer watch-group 1
> 	 dialer-group 1
> 	 isdn switch-type basic-net3
> 	 no peer neighbor-route
> 	end
> 
> 	r2(config)#int e0/0
> 	r2(config-if)#shut
> 	r2(config-if)#
> 	01:38:54: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr 10.10.10.10 on
Ethernet0/0
> from
> 	FULL to DOWN, Neighbor Down: Interface down or detached
> 	01:38:54: %ISDN-6-LAYER2UP: Layer 2 for Interface BR0/0, TEI 110
> changed to
> 	up
> 	01:38:55: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI0/0:1, changed state to
up
> 	01:38:56: %LINK-5-CHANGED: Interface Ethernet0/0, changed state
to
> 	administratively down
> 	01:38:56: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface
BRI0/0:1,
> changed
> 	state to up
> 	01:38:57: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface 
> Ethernet0/0,
> 	changed state to down
> 	01:39:00: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI0/0:2, changed state to
up
> 	01:39:01: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface
BRI0/0:2,
> changed
> 	state to up
> 	01:39:01: %ISDN-6-CONNECT: Interface BRI0/0:1 is now connected
to
> <num>
> 	01:39:06: %ISDN-6-CONNECT: Interface BRI0/0:2 is now connected
to
> unknown
> 
> 	Thus, there is no need for dialer map statement. I tried putting
it
> in and
> 	it still works the same way.
> 
> 	Regards,
> 	Kian Wah Lai
> 
> 
> 
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Kenneth Wygand [mailto:KWygand@customonline.com]
> 	Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 11:36 AM
> 	To: Kian Wah Lai; MMoniz; ccie2be; CCIE Canidate; 
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> 	Subject: RE: What is the best way to become ISDN smart
> 
> 	Kian,
> 
> 	A few things:
> 
> 	1) Yes, it is possible to bring up both channels through a
single
> dial
> 	number.  This is done through PPP Multilink and can only be done
with 
> PPP
> 	encapsulation (like you are using).  You just need to add the
command 
> "PPP
> 	Multilink".  Then you need to tell it _when_ you want the second
> channel to
> 	kick up.  This can be load-based (ppp multilink load-threshold
[1-
> 255]), or
> 	automatic (ppp multilink links minimum 2).  The reason this
appears
> to work
> 	with the "real" circuit could be because the second link will
come
> up
> 	_without_ multilink in the following scenario.  Picture R1 calls
R2
> through
> 	the first dial number.  If R2 doesn't realize it can reach R1
over
> this
> 	link, it may use the second dial number to call R1 back.  You
will
> see this
> 	if you "show isdn history".  Check the direction (inbound or
> outbound) for
> 	each circuit connection (which router initiated the call).
> 
> 	2) The way you have this connection set up, R1 can never dial R2
for
> two
> 	reasons.  The first reason is because there is no dial string 
> associated
> 	with the dialer map.  This is correct if you do not want R1 to
ever
> dial R2.
> 	However, you also do not have any interesting traffic defined. 
> Interesting
> 	traffic is used to reset the "idle-timeout" which, when expires,
> tears down
> 	the connection.  There is an "idle-timeout" on each side of the 
> circuit - in
> 	your case, there is an idle-timeout on both R1 and R2.  When
_either_ 
> of
> 	these values on either side reaches 0, the circuit is torn down,
> period.  R1
> 	does not care what R2's idle-timeout value is - if R1's
idle-timeout
> reaches
> 	0, it will tear the circuit down.  Since you have not explicitly
> defined the
> 	idle-timeout value, the default is 120 seconds.  Anytime
interesting
> traffic
> 	is seen crossing the link, this value is reset to the configured
> value (the
> 	default of 120 seconds in this case).  However, you do not have
any
> 	interesting traffic defined through the configuration of a
"dialer-
> group x"
> 	interface command and associated "dialer-list x" global command.
You 
> can
> 	either A) define interesting traffic across this link, B) set
the
> 	idle-timeout value to a very high value like 9999 (I don't like 
> this), or C)
> 	disable the idle-timeout value on router A through the command
"no
> dialer
> 	idle-timeout".  My preference is choice C if you want Router B
to
> make all
> 	the dialing and teardown decisions.
> 
> 	3) You are using dialer watch.  For whichever route you are
watching, 
> you
> 	must have an associated "dialer-map" mapping to that network.
Even
> though
> 	this is not listed as a required task in the Dialer Watch 
> configuration task
> 	list on the documentation CD, you will see it referenced in the
notes 
> within
> 	the configuration examples:
> 
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122c
> gcr/fdia
> 	l_c/fnsprt6/dcdbakdw.htm#19111
> 
> 	HTH,
> 	Ken
> 
> 	        -----Original Message-----
> 	        From: Kian Wah Lai [mailto:kian_wah@qala.com.sg]
> 	        Sent: Sat 5/1/2004 10:48 PM
> 	        To: Kenneth Wygand; 'MMoniz'; 'ccie2be'; 'CCIE
Canidate';
> 	ccielab@groupstudy.com
> 	        Cc:
> 	        Subject: RE: What is the best way to become ISDN smart
> 
> 
> 
> 	        R1 - ISDN - R2, only r2 can call r1
> 	        This config works with a real ISDN line, but can't work
on
> the ISDN
> 	        simulator on PEC. Another thing with PEC ISDN is that I
only
> get to
> 	bring up
> 	        the 1st channel. For basic-net3 (both labs are using
this),
> no SPID
> 	are
> 	        required and my friend told me one number will bring up
both
> 	channel.
> 
> 	        R1:
> 	        interface BRI0/0
> 	         ip address 172.16.12.1 255.255.255.0
> 	         encapsulation ppp
> 	         dialer map ip 172.16.12.2 name r2 broadcast
> 	         isdn switch-type basic-net3
> 	         no peer neighbor-route
> 	         ppp authentication chap
> 	        end
> 
> 	        R2:
> 	        interface BRI0/0
> 	         ip address 172.16.12.2 255.255.255.0
> 	         encapsulation ppp
> 	         dialer map ip 172.16.12.1 name r1 broadcast <num>
> 	         dialer watch-group 1
> 	         dialer-group 1
> 	         isdn switch-type basic-net3
> 	         no peer neighbor-route
> 	         ppp authentication chap
> 	        end
> 
> 	        Regards,
> 	        Kian Wah Lai
> 
> 	        -----Original Message-----
> 	        From: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> On Behalf
> 	Of
> 	        Kenneth Wygand
> 	        Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 10:32 AM
> 	        To: Kian Wah Lai; MMoniz; ccie2be; CCIE Canidate;
> 	ccielab@groupstudy.com
> 	        Subject: RE: What is the best way to become ISDN smart
> 
> 	        Kian,
> 
> 	        Can you post your configurations and describe the
problem
> you are
> 	having?
> 	        Maybe we can help you! :)
> 
> 	        Ken
> 
> 	                -----Original Message-----
> 	                From: nobody@groupstudy.com on behalf of Kian
Wah
> Lai
> 	                Sent: Sat 5/1/2004 9:11 PM
> 	                To: 'MMoniz'; 'ccie2be'; 'CCIE Canidate';
> 	ccielab@groupstudy.com
> 	                Cc:
> 	                Subject: RE: What is the best way to become ISDN
> smart
> 
> 
> 
> 	                One thing I'm curious about, I keep having
problem
> with ISDN
> 	        simulator :(
> 	                However, when I copy the same config to a router
with 
> real
> 	ISDN
> 	        line, it
> 	                works perfectly fine.
> 
> 	                Regards,
> 	                Kian Wah Lai
> 
> 	                -----Original Message-----
> 	                From: nobody@groupstudy.com 
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> 	On Behalf
> 	        Of
> 	                MMoniz
> 	                Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 3:53 AM
> 	                To: ccie2be; CCIE Canidate;
ccielab@groupstudy.com
> 	                Subject: RE: What is the best way to become ISDN
> smart
> 
> 	                Well another alternative is to become a gold
member
> or other
> 	level
> 	        with
> 	                IPExpert and you will have access to NUMEROUS 
> escenarios
> 	that will
> 	        not only
> 	                give you explanations but also the configs if
you so
> choose
> 	to look
> 	        at. All
> 	                of them are
> 	                CCIE level but they also have CCNA and NP level.
> 
> 	                This is inlcuded if you take like the VCLass or
any
> other
> 	class I
> 	        believe
> 	                and it makes picking labs to do very simple.
> 
> 	                For instance if I only want to go over ISDN they
have 
> a few
> 	labs
> 	        that are
> 	                just ISDN but also many other complex routing
labs
> that
> 	include
> 	        ISDN.
> 
> 	                Not that I am suggesting that any of the other 
> products out
> 	there
> 	        are not
> 	                quality, but to me being able to access via
> 	                a "virtual" means is important to me. I want to
be
> able to
> 	access
> 	        labs no
> 	                matter my physical location.
> 
> 	                But it still all boils down to the same 
> thing!!!learn,
> 	practice
> 	        practice
> 	                practice
> 
> 	                just my opinion,
> 
> 	                mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 	                -----Original Message-----
> 	                From: nobody@groupstudy.com 
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On
> 	Behalf
> 	        Of
> 	                ccie2be
> 	                Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 3:21 PM
> 	                To: CCIE Canidate; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> 	                Subject: Re: What is the best way to become ISDN
> smart
> 
> 
> 	                My suggestion would be to get your hands on a
large
> set of
> 	practice
> 	        labs and
> 	                practice the isdn portion of each one.  After
doing
> 20 to 40
> 	of
> 	        these
> 	                practice labs, you'll feel fairly confident of
your
> ability
> 	to
> 	        handle ccie
> 	                level isdn config's.  Of course, if there are
other
> topics
> 	you want
> 	        or need
> 	                to practice, you'll find them covered in the
practice 
> labs
> 	as well.
> 
> 	                Lots of companies these days offer practice lab 
> workbooks,
> 	but for
> 	        my money,
> 	                I think those from Internetwork Expert are the
best.
> They
> 	include
> 	        with
> 	                their practice labs comprehensive explanations
of
> their
> 	solution at
> 	        no
> 	                additional cost whereas IPExpert offers no 
> explanation at
> 	all or
> 	        just a
> 	                superficial one at best.
> 
> 	                Each company I think also provides a sample lab
you
> can
> 	download for
> 	        free so
> 	                you can decide based on your assessment of their
> sample lab.
> 
> 	                good luck
> 	                ----- Original Message -----
> 	                From: "CCIE Canidate" 
> <cisco@heartofdarknessstudios.com>
> 	                To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> 	                Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 12:05 PM
> 	                Subject: What is the best way to become ISDN
smart
> 
> 
> 	                > Hi everyone!
> 	                >
> 	                > I know that there is a way more gray matter
here
> than at
> 	my house.
> 	                > Basically, I have all of the right gear and
can
> understand
> 	the
> 	        basics,
> 	                > AND have already read a ton of Cisco
documents,
> Kaslow's
> 	book, the
> 	        CISCO
> 	                > Press books, among others....and still am not
sure
> how
> 	best to
> 	        assemble
> 	                > the most efficient configs required for CCIE
level
> work.
> 	I want
> 	        to get
> 	                > the opinions of group members on what
materials
> give me
> 	the "BEST"
> 	                > crawl, walk, run steps, procedures, and
examples
> of how to
> 	setup
> 	        ISDN in
> 	                > preparation for the lab.
> 	                >
> 	                > Thanks,
> 	                >
> 	                > ISDN challenged guy
> 	                >
> 	                >
> 
>
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