From: Brian McGahan (bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com)
Date: Tue May 04 2004 - 13:48:19 GMT-3
Devi,
        Yes this is true if the interface is point-to-point as layer 2
to layer 3 resolution is not required.  Dialer interfaces and the main
interface configured with the dialer string command (in conjunction with
PPP) are point-to-point interfaces, and do not require resolution.  Main
interfaces and dialer interfaces configured in a rotary group are
multipoint interfaces, and do require resolution.  
HTH,
Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593
bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com 
Internetwork Expert, Inc.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> Devi Mallampalli
> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 6:30 AM
> To: Brian McGahan; Kenneth Wygand; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: What is the best way to become ISDN smart
> 
> Hi Brian/ Ken ,
> 
> I think you do NOT need "dialer-map" in order to make "dialer-watch"
to
> work. So it works on both Legacy DDR as well as Dialer profiles.
> 
> The other day , we have tested positively the below Dialer watch
config
> on a Dialer interface where I am not using any dialer maps. As you can
> note I am watching 3 routes ( on Data , Voice and Management vlan) ,
if
> she looses any of them Dialer watch fires the Dialer interface as she
is
> aware where to call ( with string) and whom to call ( dialer remote
name
> ).
> 
> And it works 10 out 10 times.
> 
> interface Serial1/0:15
>  description *** OnRamp30 Service # A039322-3400 K1001 ***
>  no ip address
>  encapsulation ppp
>  dialer pool-member 1
>  isdn switch-type primary-net5
>  no fair-queue
>  no cdp enable
> 
> interface Dialer1
>   bandwidth 2048
>  ip unnumbered Loopback2
>  ip pim sparse-mode
>  service-policy output WAN-EDGE
>  encapsulation ppp
>   dialer pool 1
>  dialer remote-name au200r02-backup
>  dialer idle-timeout 10
>  dialer watch-disable 180
>  dialer string 0297974600
>  dialer watch-group 3
>  dialer watch-group 2
>  dialer watch-group 1
>  ppp authentication chap
>  ppp chap hostname au300r02-backup
>  ppp multilink
>  ppp multilink fragment-delay 10
>  multilink min-links 29
> 
> dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit
> 
> dialer watch-list 1 ip 10.0.250.1 255.255.255.255
> dialer watch-list 1 delay route-check initial 120
> dialer watch-list 2 ip 10.22.2.254 255.255.255.255
> dialer watch-list 2 delay route-check initial 120
> dialer watch-list 3 ip 10.18.2.0 255.255.255.240
> dialer watch-list 3 delay route-check initial 120
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Devi.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian McGahan [mailto:bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:18 PM
> To: Kenneth Wygand; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: What is the best way to become ISDN smart
> 
> 
> Ken,
> 
> 	In short, yes it is required.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593
> bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
> 
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
> Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Kenneth Wygand
> > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 6:10 AM
> > To: Kian Wah Lai; MMoniz; ccie2be; CCIE Canidate;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> > bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
> > Subject: RE: What is the best way to become ISDN smart
> >
> > Hey Brian and group,
> >
> > Do you know if the "dialer map" is still required for the network
> being
> > watched through Dialer Watch?  According to Kian's tests, it is not
> > required and Cisco doesn't list it as a configuration requirement.
> > However, they do illustrate its use and purpose in their
configuration
> 
> > example at the bottom of the same link:
> >
> >
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr/
> fd
> > ia
> >
>
<http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr
> /f
> > dia>
> > l_c/fnsprt6/dcdbakdw.htm#19111
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Ken
> >
> > 	-----Original Message-----
> > 	From: Kian Wah Lai [mailto:kian_wah@qala.com.sg]
> > 	Sent: Sun 5/2/2004 2:39 AM
> > 	To: Kenneth Wygand; 'MMoniz'; 'ccie2be'; 'CCIE Canidate';
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > 	Cc:
> > 	Subject: RE: What is the best way to become ISDN smart
> >
> >
> >
> > 	I tested it just now and here is what I've found
> > 	R1 connected to R2 via Ethernet and ISDN. R1 is having a loop
> back
> > int which
> > 	I'll use it for dialer watch-list. The routers that I've used
> are
> > the one
> > 	with the real ISDN line. I didn't manage to try the one on PEC,
> think
> > there
> > 	are some problems with the simulator (can't even dial through)
> >
> >
> > 	R1:
> > 	interface BRI0/0
> > 	 ip address 172.16.1.1 255.255.255.0
> > 	 encapsulation ppp
> > 	 ip ospf demand-circuit
> > 	 dialer map ip 172.16.1.2 broadcast <num>
> > 	 dialer load-threshold 255 either
> > 	 dialer-group 1
> > 	 isdn switch-type basic-net3
> > 	 no peer neighbor-route
> > 	end
> >
> > 	R2:
> > 	interface BRI0/0
> > 	 ip address 172.16.1.2 255.255.255.0
> > 	 encapsulation ppp
> > 	 dialer watch-disable 10
> > 	 dialer map ip 172.16.1.1 broadcast <num>
> > 	 dialer watch-group 1
> > 	 dialer-group 1
> > 	 isdn switch-type basic-net3
> > 	 no peer neighbor-route
> > 	end
> >
> > 	r2(config)#int e0/0
> > 	r2(config-if)#shut
> > 	r2(config-if)#
> > 	01:38:54: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr 10.10.10.10 on
> Ethernet0/0
> > from
> > 	FULL to DOWN, Neighbor Down: Interface down or detached
> > 	01:38:54: %ISDN-6-LAYER2UP: Layer 2 for Interface BR0/0, TEI 110
> 
> > changed to
> > 	up
> > 	01:38:55: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI0/0:1, changed state to
> up
> > 	01:38:56: %LINK-5-CHANGED: Interface Ethernet0/0, changed state
> to
> > 	administratively down
> > 	01:38:56: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface
> BRI0/0:1,
> > changed
> > 	state to up
> > 	01:38:57: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface
> > Ethernet0/0,
> > 	changed state to down
> > 	01:39:00: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI0/0:2, changed state to
> up
> > 	01:39:01: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface
> BRI0/0:2,
> > changed
> > 	state to up
> > 	01:39:01: %ISDN-6-CONNECT: Interface BRI0/0:1 is now connected
> to
> > <num>
> > 	01:39:06: %ISDN-6-CONNECT: Interface BRI0/0:2 is now connected
> to
> > unknown
> >
> > 	Thus, there is no need for dialer map statement. I tried putting
> it
> > in and
> > 	it still works the same way.
> >
> > 	Regards,
> > 	Kian Wah Lai
> >
> >
> >
> > 	-----Original Message-----
> > 	From: Kenneth Wygand [mailto:KWygand@customonline.com]
> > 	Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 11:36 AM
> > 	To: Kian Wah Lai; MMoniz; ccie2be; CCIE Canidate;
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > 	Subject: RE: What is the best way to become ISDN smart
> >
> > 	Kian,
> >
> > 	A few things:
> >
> > 	1) Yes, it is possible to bring up both channels through a
> single
> > dial
> > 	number.  This is done through PPP Multilink and can only be done
> with
> > PPP
> > 	encapsulation (like you are using).  You just need to add the
> command
> > "PPP
> > 	Multilink".  Then you need to tell it _when_ you want the second
> 
> > channel to
> > 	kick up.  This can be load-based (ppp multilink load-threshold
> [1-
> > 255]), or
> > 	automatic (ppp multilink links minimum 2).  The reason this
> appears
> > to work
> > 	with the "real" circuit could be because the second link will
> come
> > up
> > 	_without_ multilink in the following scenario.  Picture R1 calls
> R2
> > through
> > 	the first dial number.  If R2 doesn't realize it can reach R1
> over
> > this
> > 	link, it may use the second dial number to call R1 back.  You
> will
> > see this
> > 	if you "show isdn history".  Check the direction (inbound or
> > outbound) for
> > 	each circuit connection (which router initiated the call).
> >
> > 	2) The way you have this connection set up, R1 can never dial R2
> for
> > two
> > 	reasons.  The first reason is because there is no dial string
> > associated
> > 	with the dialer map.  This is correct if you do not want R1 to
> ever
> > dial R2.
> > 	However, you also do not have any interesting traffic defined.
> > Interesting
> > 	traffic is used to reset the "idle-timeout" which, when expires,
> 
> > tears down
> > 	the connection.  There is an "idle-timeout" on each side of the
> > circuit - in
> > 	your case, there is an idle-timeout on both R1 and R2.  When
> _either_
> > of
> > 	these values on either side reaches 0, the circuit is torn down,
> 
> > period.  R1
> > 	does not care what R2's idle-timeout value is - if R1's
> idle-timeout
> > reaches
> > 	0, it will tear the circuit down.  Since you have not explicitly
> 
> > defined the
> > 	idle-timeout value, the default is 120 seconds.  Anytime
> interesting
> > traffic
> > 	is seen crossing the link, this value is reset to the configured
> 
> > value (the
> > 	default of 120 seconds in this case).  However, you do not have
> any
> > 	interesting traffic defined through the configuration of a
> "dialer-
> > group x"
> > 	interface command and associated "dialer-list x" global command.
> You
> > can
> > 	either A) define interesting traffic across this link, B) set
> the
> > 	idle-timeout value to a very high value like 9999 (I don't like
> > this), or C)
> > 	disable the idle-timeout value on router A through the command
> "no
> > dialer
> > 	idle-timeout".  My preference is choice C if you want Router B
> to
> > make all
> > 	the dialing and teardown decisions.
> >
> > 	3) You are using dialer watch.  For whichever route you are
> watching,
> > you
> > 	must have an associated "dialer-map" mapping to that network.
> Even
> > though
> > 	this is not listed as a required task in the Dialer Watch
> > configuration task
> > 	list on the documentation CD, you will see it referenced in the
> notes
> > within
> > 	the configuration examples:
> >
> >
> http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122c
> > gcr/fdia
> > 	l_c/fnsprt6/dcdbakdw.htm#19111
> >
> > 	HTH,
> > 	Ken
> >
> > 	        -----Original Message-----
> > 	        From: Kian Wah Lai [mailto:kian_wah@qala.com.sg]
> > 	        Sent: Sat 5/1/2004 10:48 PM
> > 	        To: Kenneth Wygand; 'MMoniz'; 'ccie2be'; 'CCIE
> Canidate';
> > 	ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > 	        Cc:
> > 	        Subject: RE: What is the best way to become ISDN smart
> >
> >
> >
> > 	        R1 - ISDN - R2, only r2 can call r1
> > 	        This config works with a real ISDN line, but can't work
> on
> > the ISDN
> > 	        simulator on PEC. Another thing with PEC ISDN is that I
> only
> > get to
> > 	bring up
> > 	        the 1st channel. For basic-net3 (both labs are using
> this),
> > no SPID
> > 	are
> > 	        required and my friend told me one number will bring up
> both
> > 	channel.
> >
> > 	        R1:
> > 	        interface BRI0/0
> > 	         ip address 172.16.12.1 255.255.255.0
> > 	         encapsulation ppp
> > 	         dialer map ip 172.16.12.2 name r2 broadcast
> > 	         isdn switch-type basic-net3
> > 	         no peer neighbor-route
> > 	         ppp authentication chap
> > 	        end
> >
> > 	        R2:
> > 	        interface BRI0/0
> > 	         ip address 172.16.12.2 255.255.255.0
> > 	         encapsulation ppp
> > 	         dialer map ip 172.16.12.1 name r1 broadcast <num>
> > 	         dialer watch-group 1
> > 	         dialer-group 1
> > 	         isdn switch-type basic-net3
> > 	         no peer neighbor-route
> > 	         ppp authentication chap
> > 	        end
> >
> > 	        Regards,
> > 	        Kian Wah Lai
> >
> > 	        -----Original Message-----
> > 	        From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> > On Behalf
> > 	Of
> > 	        Kenneth Wygand
> > 	        Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 10:32 AM
> > 	        To: Kian Wah Lai; MMoniz; ccie2be; CCIE Canidate;
> > 	ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > 	        Subject: RE: What is the best way to become ISDN smart
> >
> > 	        Kian,
> >
> > 	        Can you post your configurations and describe the
> problem
> > you are
> > 	having?
> > 	        Maybe we can help you! :)
> >
> > 	        Ken
> >
> > 	                -----Original Message-----
> > 	                From: nobody@groupstudy.com on behalf of Kian
> Wah
> > Lai
> > 	                Sent: Sat 5/1/2004 9:11 PM
> > 	                To: 'MMoniz'; 'ccie2be'; 'CCIE Canidate';
> > 	ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > 	                Cc:
> > 	                Subject: RE: What is the best way to become ISDN
> 
> > smart
> >
> >
> >
> > 	                One thing I'm curious about, I keep having
> problem
> > with ISDN
> > 	        simulator :(
> > 	                However, when I copy the same config to a router
> with
> > real
> > 	ISDN
> > 	        line, it
> > 	                works perfectly fine.
> >
> > 	                Regards,
> > 	                Kian Wah Lai
> >
> > 	                -----Original Message-----
> > 	                From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> > 	On Behalf
> > 	        Of
> > 	                MMoniz
> > 	                Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 3:53 AM
> > 	                To: ccie2be; CCIE Canidate;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > 	                Subject: RE: What is the best way to become ISDN
> 
> > smart
> >
> > 	                Well another alternative is to become a gold
> member
> > or other
> > 	level
> > 	        with
> > 	                IPExpert and you will have access to NUMEROUS
> > escenarios
> > 	that will
> > 	        not only
> > 	                give you explanations but also the configs if
> you so
> > choose
> > 	to look
> > 	        at. All
> > 	                of them are
> > 	                CCIE level but they also have CCNA and NP level.
> >
> > 	                This is inlcuded if you take like the VCLass or
> any
> > other
> > 	class I
> > 	        believe
> > 	                and it makes picking labs to do very simple.
> >
> > 	                For instance if I only want to go over ISDN they
> have
> > a few
> > 	labs
> > 	        that are
> > 	                just ISDN but also many other complex routing
> labs
> > that
> > 	include
> > 	        ISDN.
> >
> > 	                Not that I am suggesting that any of the other
> > products out
> > 	there
> > 	        are not
> > 	                quality, but to me being able to access via
> > 	                a "virtual" means is important to me. I want to
> be
> > able to
> > 	access
> > 	        labs no
> > 	                matter my physical location.
> >
> > 	                But it still all boils down to the same
> > thing!!!learn,
> > 	practice
> > 	        practice
> > 	                practice
> >
> > 	                just my opinion,
> >
> > 	                mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 	                -----Original Message-----
> > 	                From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On
> > 	Behalf
> > 	        Of
> > 	                ccie2be
> > 	                Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 3:21 PM
> > 	                To: CCIE Canidate; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > 	                Subject: Re: What is the best way to become ISDN
> 
> > smart
> >
> >
> > 	                My suggestion would be to get your hands on a
> large
> > set of
> > 	practice
> > 	        labs and
> > 	                practice the isdn portion of each one.  After
> doing
> > 20 to 40
> > 	of
> > 	        these
> > 	                practice labs, you'll feel fairly confident of
> your
> > ability
> > 	to
> > 	        handle ccie
> > 	                level isdn config's.  Of course, if there are
> other
> > topics
> > 	you want
> > 	        or need
> > 	                to practice, you'll find them covered in the
> practice
> > labs
> > 	as well.
> >
> > 	                Lots of companies these days offer practice lab
> > workbooks,
> > 	but for
> > 	        my money,
> > 	                I think those from Internetwork Expert are the
> best.
> > They
> > 	include
> > 	        with
> > 	                their practice labs comprehensive explanations
> of
> > their
> > 	solution at
> > 	        no
> > 	                additional cost whereas IPExpert offers no
> > explanation at
> > 	all or
> > 	        just a
> > 	                superficial one at best.
> >
> > 	                Each company I think also provides a sample lab
> you
> > can
> > 	download for
> > 	        free so
> > 	                you can decide based on your assessment of their
> 
> > sample lab.
> >
> > 	                good luck
> > 	                ----- Original Message -----
> > 	                From: "CCIE Canidate"
> > <cisco@heartofdarknessstudios.com>
> > 	                To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > 	                Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 12:05 PM
> > 	                Subject: What is the best way to become ISDN
> smart
> >
> >
> > 	                > Hi everyone!
> > 	                >
> > 	                > I know that there is a way more gray matter
> here
> > than at
> > 	my house.
> > 	                > Basically, I have all of the right gear and
> can
> > understand
> > 	the
> > 	        basics,
> > 	                > AND have already read a ton of Cisco
> documents,
> > Kaslow's
> > 	book, the
> > 	        CISCO
> > 	                > Press books, among others....and still am not
> sure
> > how
> > 	best to
> > 	        assemble
> > 	                > the most efficient configs required for CCIE
> level
> > work.
> > 	I want
> > 	        to get
> > 	                > the opinions of group members on what
> materials
> > give me
> > 	the "BEST"
> > 	                > crawl, walk, run steps, procedures, and
> examples
> > of how to
> > 	setup
> > 	        ISDN in
> > 	                > preparation for the lab.
> > 	                >
> > 	                > Thanks,
> > 	                >
> > 	                > ISDN challenged guy
> > 	                >
> > 	                >
> >
> >
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