From: phase90 (phase90@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Jun 21 2004 - 00:15:44 GMT-3
Isn't it Ironic - Allanis "Morris"ette
things that make you go Hmmmm!!!
Networkers' 2004 in 23 [ or is it 24 ] days
be there or be square!
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Underhill" <stepnwlf@magma.ca>
To: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>; "'Xiangrong Wang'"
<xiangrow@cisco.com>; "'Ashok M A (aananda)'" <aananda@cisco.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: Cisco IOU
> Hmmn.. telling someone not to talk about software that is supposed to be a
> company 'secret', and revealing that fact to the whole world in the
> process.. seems like this fits into the definition of irony to me..
> I do find it interesting though, that you would focus in with such a
narrow
> view of a much more substantial discussion, and in fact, avoid the key
> points, which have nothing to do with IOU..
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
> To: "'John Underhill'" <stepnwlf@magma.ca>; "'Xiangrong Wang'"
> <xiangrow@cisco.com>; "'Ashok M A (aananda)'" <aananda@cisco.com>
> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 9:33 PM
> Subject: RE: Cisco IOU
>
>
> > Irony is defined as "incongruity between what might be expected and what
> > actually occurs", or "the use of words to express something different
from
> > and often opposite to their literal meaning."
> >
> > I don't see much ironic about his post, or about the existence of IOU.
> IOU
> > is a deliberate testing platform within Cisco internally. The fact that
> the
> > public knows about it is beside the point. There are many cool things
> that
> > the NSA has that we may "know" about. That doesn't make it ironic, nor
> does
> > it mean you have any right to use them.
> >
> > IOU was designed for certain testing concepts, and those concepts only.
> As
> > Xiangrong points out (ironic that you missed it?) the IOU is missing
many
> > key features and interfaces that make it all but impossible to use for
> CCIE
> > testing. So the question becomes: Having read this part, what makes
you
> > desire this tool? What do you think you could accomplish with it?
> >
> > Could you use a Sparc box to create a huge OSPF domain? Absolutely!
Will
> > this help you with your CCIE lab? Sure, in a limited sort of way (what?
> > 8-12 points for IGP OSPF?) Will it help you with your Voice? No. Will
> it
> > help you with ISDN? No. Will it help you with ATM? No. Will it help
> you
> > with a 3550? No. Do you need to have it? No. Does it give Cisco
> > "insiders" an edge for the CCIE lab? Absolutely not, other than testing
> > certain topics within certain parameters. Hardly seems worthwhile IMHO.
> >
> > But certainly does not fit the definition of "ironic", nor interfere
with
> > customer loyalty or ease of deployment. While I would love to be able
to
> > call Microsoft (or any other company you substitute) and demand that
they
> > give me access to internal tools to "ease" my life and "enhance" my
> loyalty,
> > I don't see it happening.
> >
> > Ask Alanis Morrisette about irony. She has a decent song about it. And
> > Cisco isn't mentioned once. ;)
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> John
> > Underhill
> > Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 4:07 PM
> > To: Xiangrong Wang; Ashok M A (aananda)
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Cisco IOU
> >
> > Witness: this is what is known as a 'clear cut case of irony'.
> > By deciding to respond to the group address, you realize of course, that
> you
> > have violated that same policy? All kidding aside..
> > I have always felt that it would serve the best interests of your
company
> to
> > make more resources available to CCIE candidates. Say, some subset of
the
> > learning tools that are available to channel partners, could also be
> > available to those that have passed the qualification exam. You have to
> look
> > at it in terms of investing company resources in those that are so
clearly
> > committed to investing in you. This is a symbiotic relationship, many of
> the
> > engineers that are committed to learning the nuances of your products,
are
> > also the same people who effect purchasing decisions within their
> respective
> > companies, and by better facilitating the learning process, you are in
> turn
> > both insuring product loyalty, and nurturing a culture of qualified
> > engineers. There are many technologies tested in the curriculum, that
are
> > simply too expensive for the average student to afford, and I can only
> > imagine the tremendous sacrifices made by people studying for this exam
in
> > the third world. So when I hear of something like IOU, it does upset
me..
> I
> > understand the potential impact if it were freely distributed, but I
also
> > wonder if the current process could to be made 'less exclusive' and cost
> > prohibitive by providing a free, limited access to some of these
> > technologies. It seems to me that the more engineers that are able to
> > embrace the CCIE curriculum unencumbered by financial constraints, the
> > greater the number of people with the required product knowledge needed
to
> > effectively install, maintain, and distribute your products..
> > Just my 2 cents.. I have to dig through my change jar now for cigarette
> > money, as I spent my entire paycheck on a voice module..
> >
> > cheers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Xiangrong Wang" <xiangrow@cisco.com>
> > To: "Ashok M A (aananda)" <aananda@cisco.com>
> > Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 2:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: Cisco IOU
> >
> >
> > > Hi Ashok,
> > >
> > > Cisco IOS on Unix is a tool intended for internal use only.
Distribution
> > of
> > > IOU images to customers or external persons, or discussion of IOU with
> > > customers or external persons, is prohibited.
> > >
> > > As a Cisco employee, you should follow the rules strictly, and
> discussion
> > > of this topic here may harm the study group as well. If you need help
on
> > > using IOU, please send your questions to internal mail alias.
> > > BTW, due to the limited support of interface on IOU, you still need
real
> > > routers to
> > > prepare for the IE lab.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > Xiangrong
> > >
> > > At 09:17 PM 06/18/04 +0530, Ashok M A \(aananda\) wrote:
> > > >Hi,
> > > >
> > > >It would be great if you could provide me some link and help pages on
> > Cisco
> > > >IOU.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks,
> > > >Ashok
> > > >
> > >
>_______________________________________________________________________
> > > >Please help support GroupStudy by purchasing your study materials
from:
> > > >http://shop.groupstudy.com
> > > >
> > > >Subscription information may be found at:
> > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> > >
> > >
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.4 : Sat Jul 03 2004 - 19:40:45 GMT-3