From: David Sloan (jadin_321@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat Nov 13 2004 - 16:36:50 GMT-3
Once again.. I'm only trying to let everyone here make an informed decision
before they make a purchase.
Your analogy with Time magazine isn't a good one because time magazine gives
you the latest news and opinons. This is a subscription based product, but
if one were to wait a few months, they would be getting a FAR SUPERIOR
subscription.
I have no complaints about the content of the product, it's just very
limited in it's current infant stage.
My suggestion, one may want to wait a month or two before they purchase so
they are able to get their money's worth.
Thanks Scott.. Actually if Brian was to have done a search on my email
address he would have found a post from a while back.
http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200309/msg00946.html
>From: "joshua lauer" <jslauer@hotmail.com>
>To: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>,"'David Sloan'"
><jadin_321@hotmail.com>,<bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>,<ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>
>CC: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Subject: Re: Internetwork Expert and VaporWare
>Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:09:44 -0500
>
>I'm been on this group for a short time and have sampled many different
>products from many vendors...
>
>I would have to disagree with David here, The product from Internetwork
>expert seems to be a subscription based service...
>Like a magazine subscription, do you get the whole years worth at one shot?
>No you dont...Ya gotta wait for it, it hasnt been written yet :)
>If you want a bunch of scenarios at once you purchase a workbook, there are
>several really good ones out there, each with varying levels
>of difficulty. If I had the money I would buy all of them :) I would call
>InternetworkExperts product about as close to "vaporware" as the Time
>Magazine I get each week in the mail. I think the product
>they are offering seems like it's a good thing and looks like it can help
>you pin-point problem areas vice doing a whole multiprotocol lab.
>I'm all for companies releasing new materials, I dont mind giving them my
>money if they provide me the variety I need to keep me
>thinking....IPEXPERT, NMC and INTERNETWORK
>EXPERT have all recieved my money...and I have to say it's ALL been well
>spent....keep those products coming guys!
>
>
>josh
>
>
>Joshua Lauer
>
>RHCE, CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, CCSP,INFOSEC
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
>To: "'David Sloan'" <jadin_321@hotmail.com>;
><bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>; <ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>
>Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 4:39 AM
>Subject: RE: Internetwork Expert and VaporWare
>
>
>>Well...
>>
>>I can validate the fact that I haven't got a clue who you are either way.
>>:) Does that help?
>>
>>Scott
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>David Sloan
>>Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 8:58 PM
>>To: bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com; ccie2be@nyc.rr.com
>>Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>Subject: RE: Internetwork Expert and VaporWare
>>
>>I am not the same person listed as below (I'm sure Scott can tell you
>>that).
>>
>>I just want to inform everyone who is thinking of making a purchase that
>>they may not be getting what they believe they are. It's very misleading
>>to
>>mention BGP in the first few sentences of your product's description and
>>have BGP completely absent from the product.
>>
>>My other claim is most of the subjects listed under each of the catagories
>>is not available yet, which is true. Only OSPF is available in the
>>routing
>>protocols and only DLSW and QOS is available in the QOS/Security subjects.
>>Which makes my claim absolutely true, more than half (most) of the
>>subjects
>>aren't available yet.
>>
>>If this doesn't fit the definition of VaporWare it's certainly close.
>>
>>I'm sorry if I appear to be attacking your company, but I want to make
>>sure
>>that everyone in this group knows what they're getting when they make a
>>purchase.
>>
>>On the otherside, I would never criticize your lab book as I believe it is
>>the best and you've done an amazing job of transitioning to ipv6 and the
>>removal of VOIP where the others have yet to do much.
>>
>>
>>>From: "Brian McGahan" <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
>>>To: "David Sloan" <jadin_321@hotmail.com>,<ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>
>>>CC: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>>Subject: RE: Internetwork Expert and VaporWare
>>>Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:41:11 -0500
>>>
>>>Hi David,
>>>
>>>I see that the subscription you're logging in to the technologies
>>lab
>>>with is not registered under your name, nor have you ever been a
>>>customer of Internetwork Expert. Furthermore, the only reference I can
>>>see to a "David Sloan" on groupstudy is the following
>>>post:
>>>
>>>http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200211/msg00503.html
>>>
>>>David A. Sloan
>>>President, IPexpert.net
>>>CCIE #6976, CCSI #21666 (Rt.)
>>>
>>>Is this you David, or am I mistaken? I find it odd that instead of
>>>contacting Internetwork Expert directly for any legitimate product
>>>related questions you instead choose to slander us on a public mailing
>>>list.
>>>
>>>For those of you wondering about the legitimacy of this claim, yes
>>it
>>>is true the lab series is not complete. However, the idea of this new
>>>format we're delivering the content in is that instead of waiting
>>>months for a new product to be released, we are offering this series on
>>>a subscription basis that costs about $12 per month.
>>>
>>>This way we can continue development on the series indefinitely and
>>it
>>>will never become obsolete. In other words the series will NEVER be
>>>complete. I have personally been posting the labs in this series every
>>>day since its release about two weeks ago. There are currently over 75
>>>labs in the series, such as:
>>>
>>>Understanding Layer 2 Access Switchports Understanding ISL Trunk Ports
>>>Understanding 802.1q Trunk Ports Understanding 802.1q Trunk Ports and
>>>the Native VLAN Configuring Trunk Ports without DTP Router-on-a-Stick
>>>Router-on-a-Stick and the Native VLAN EtherChannel EtherChannel - PAgP
>>>EtherChannel - PagP Auto EtherChannel - LACP EtherChannel - LACP
>>>Passive EtherChannel - Layer 3 Frame-Relay Inverse-ARP Frame-Relay
>>>Static Mapping 1 Frame-Relay Inverse-ARP & Static Mappings Frame-Relay
>>>Multipoint Interfaces: Inverse-ARP Frame-Relay Multipoint Interfaces:
>>>Static Mappings Frame-Relay Multipoint Interfaces: Inverse-ARP & Static
>>>Mappings Frame-Relay Point-to-Point Subinterfaces Frame-Relay
>>>Point-to-Point Subinterfaces and Main Interfaces:
>>>Inverse-ARP
>>>Frame-Relay Point-to-Point Subinterfaces and Main Interfaces: Static
>>>Mappings Frame-Relay Point-to-Point Subinterfaces and Multipoint
>>>Subinterfaces:
>>>Inverse-ARP
>>>Frame-Relay Point-to-Point Subinterfaces and Multipoint Subinterfaces:
>>>Static Mapping
>>>Frame-Relay Main Interface: Inverse-ARP, Multipoint Interface:
>>>Inverse-ARP
>>>Frame-Relay Main Interface: Inverse-ARP, Multipoint Interface: Static
>>>Mapping Frame-Relay Main Interface: Static Mapping, Multipoint
>>>Interface:
>>>Inverse-ARP
>>>Frame-Relay Main Interface: Static Mapping, Multipoint Interface:
>>>Static Mapping Frame-Relay Hub-and-Spoke, Main Interfaces with
>>>Inverse-ARP Frame-Relay Hub-and-Spoke, Main Interfaces w/ Inverse-ARP &
>>>Static Mappings Frame-Relay Hub-and-Spoke, Main Interfaces w/ Static
>>>Mappings Frame-Relay Hub-and-Spoke, Main Interfaces w/ Inverse-ARP &
>>>Point-to-Point Subinterfaces Frame-Relay Hub-and-Spoke, Main Interfaces
>>>w/ Static Mappings & Point-to-Point Subinterfaces ATM PVC Main
>>>Interface w/ Inverse-ARP ATM PVC Main Interface w/ Static Mapping ATM
>>>PVC Main Interface w/ Legacy Static Mapping ATM PVC Multipoint
>>>Subinterface w/ Inverse-ARP ATM PVC Multipoint Subinterface w/ Static
>>>Mapping ATM PVC Point-to-Point Subinterface ATM PVC Discovery w/ Main
>>>Interface ATM PVC Discovery w/ Multipoint Subinterface ATM PVC
>>>Discovery w/ Point-to-Point Subinterface ATM SVC Static Mapping w/ Main
>>>Interface ATM SVC Static Mapping w/ Main Interface & Static NSAP ATM
>>>SVC Static Mapping w/ Multipoint Subinterface ATM SVC CLIP w/ Remote
>>>ARP-Server ATM SVC CLIP w/ Local ARP-Server ISDN Layer 2 Connectivity
>>>ISDN Legacy DDR ISDN Dialer Profiles ISDN Legacy DDR and Dialer
>>>Profiles ISDN Dialer Load-Threshold ISDN Dialer Load-Threshold (II)
>>>Legacy DDR with PPP ISDN Legacy DDR without Dialer Maps w/HDLC ISDN
>>>Legacy DDR with PPP and Dynamic Dialer Maps ISDN Legacy DDR with PPP
>>>PAP Authentication ISDN Legacy DDR with PPP CHAP Authentication Legacy
>>>Custom Queueing MQC Bandwidth Legacy Priority Queueing MQC Low Latency
>>>Queue Legacy Generic Traffic Shaping MQC Shaping Legacy Frame Relay
>>>Traffic Shaping MQC Frame Relay Traffic Shaping Legacy Committed Access
>>>Rate MQC Policing
>>>DLSw+ TCP Encapsulation
>>>DLSw+ FST Encapsulation
>>>DLSw+ Direct over Frame Relay
>>>DLSw+ Lite over Frame Relay
>>>DLSw+ Direct over HDLC
>>>
>>>If anyone else has any questions related to this product you can
>>email
>>>me offlist or find me on our chat server at
>>>http://www.internetworkexpert.com/chat/
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593
>>>bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
>>>
>>>Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>>>Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
>>>Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
>>>24/7 Support: http://forum.internetworkexpert.com
>>>Live Chat: http://www.internetworkexpert.com/chat/
>>>
>>>
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>>Of
>>> > David Sloan
>>> > Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 7:06 PM
>>> > To: ccie2be@nyc.rr.com
>>> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> > Subject: Re: Internetwork Expert and VaporWare
>>> >
>>> > Because it's their product... Go to their website... It's a new
>>>product.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >From: "ccie2be" <ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>
>>> > >To: "David Sloan" <jadin_321@hotmail.com>, <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>> > >Subject: Re: Internetwork Expert and VaporWare
>>> > >Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:02:51 -0500
>>> > >
>>> > >What does the CCIE Routing & Technologies Labs have to do with
>>> > Internetwork
>>> > >Expert (IE)?
>>> > >
>>> > >Those guys at IE, Brian Dennis and Brian McGahan, are giants in
>>> > networking
>>> > >and they've created the best practice labs workbook on the market
>>>IMHO.
>>> > >
>>> > >From the subject line of your post, it sounds like you're
>>> > >slandering
>>>the
>>> > >best ccie prep company out there today.
>>> > >
>>> > >Tim
>>> > >----- Original Message -----
>>> > >From: "David Sloan" <jadin_321@hotmail.com>
>>> > >To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>> > >Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 7:32 PM
>>> > >Subject: Internetwork Expert and VaporWare
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > > FYI for anyone interested in subscribing to the "CCIE Routing &
>>> > >Technologies
>>> > > > Labs."
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Most of subjects listed under each of the three catagories
>>> > > > aren't
>>>even
>>> > > > available yet. The most rediculous item is this though. The
>>>first
>>> > >line
>>> > >of
>>> > > > the description is:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > "Are you looking to isolate your CCIE lab preparation on an
>>>individual
>>> > >topic
>>> > > > basis? Tired of spending hours setting up a lab topology just to
>>>see
>>> > how
>>> > >BGP
>>> > > > works?"
>>> > > >
>>> > > > You won't find any BGP here... Yet.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > My advice.. Wait til the vapor materializes.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> >
>>>_______________________________________________________________________
>>> > > > Subscription information may be found at:
>>> > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
>>> >
>>> >
>>>_______________________________________________________________________
>>> > Subscription information may be found at:
>>> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
>>
>>_______________________________________________________________________
>>Subscription information may be found at:
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>>
>>_______________________________________________________________________
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