From: binu sam (binu161@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Feb 01 2005 - 17:01:12 GMT-3
I dont agree that people should be Cisco centric
There are great LAN switching products that EXTREME
makes.VPN products of Nortel are great.
The Firewall that Lucent makes (Lucent Brick) is the
non compromised firewall in the market yet.
Lucent Brick is even being used by different
governments since its very rubust.
So just by having a CCIE doesnt mean you are an
expert and I think you 'll find some paper CCIE's too
On the other hand all these other great products from
different vendors keep the networking field
competitive and in demand
binu
--- alasdair gilchrist
<alasdair_gilchrist@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> "Folks, networking,
> routing, and firewalls are still 'hot' skills, but
> that's not going to last."
> He's not referring to any specific vendor, but
> networking in general.
>
> So why does it come under the heading" CCIE."
>
> Though I do agree with you, with everything else you
> have written.
>
> Cheers
>
> ally
>
>
>
> "McLaughlin, Jeffery" <JMcLaughlin@sfchronicle.com>
> wrote:
> "No, I think the cornerstone of his argument is that
> CCIE's will no longer be required."
> That's not his argument, though. I quote: "Folks,
> networking, routing, and firewalls are still 'hot'
> skills, but that's not going to last." He's not
> referring to any specific vendor, but networking in
> general.
>
> "I believe, perhaps wrongly that the time and effort
> should be chanelled into becoming an all round
> network engineer."
> I'd agree with you. That's why CCIE is not my only
> cert, and why I've worked with many other vendors.
> I'd recommend (and have on this list) that CCIE
> students start with non-Cisco books before delving
> into the Cisco-specific stuff. That said, I would
> argue that the CCIE is likely to have a fairly good
> grasp of network concepts that translate across
> vendors. That, however, is an argument that has been
> debated so many times on this list... Rather than
> rehash, I'd suggest we all search the archives for
> past debates and be satisfied with that.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Jeff
>
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> No, I think the cornerstone of his argument is that
> CCIE's will no longer be required. Networks will
> diverge between different vendors not converge to a
> single vendor. That I believe is true. You can see
> this happening already. Cisco's once dominant
> position is eroding because they are casting their
> net to far. Even now Extreme, Foundry etc are
> challenging their sacred ground of fast switching.
> With regard VOIP they are lagging behind Nortel,
> manly because Nortel have the Meridian etc. If your
> client had a Meridian PBX would you as a consultant
> suggest a Cisco VOIP solution or a Passport with BSM
> voice router/switch. I know which one I would go for
> , purely for piece of mind.
>
> Security, they are out of the picture, unless you
> are hopelessy a Cisco house.
>
> I believe, perhaps wrongly that the time and effort
> should be chanelled into becoming an all round
> network engineer. One that can, as a consultant
> provide the best possible solution regardless of
> vendor loyality. If all a consultant can do is
> suggest Cisco products because that is all he knows
> (or studied) he is not an engineer or consultant he
> is merely a salesman.
>
> "McLaughlin, Jeffery" wrote:
> This quote consists of statements unsupported by any
> sort of coherent
> argument. His only clear point is as follows:
>
> 1. CCIE's (or skilled network engineers) are in
> demand now because some
> networks are difficult to configure.
> 2. Network hardware is becoming increasingly simple
> to configure.
> 3. At some point in the near future, network
> hardware will be so simple to
> configure that any ordinary user will be able to
> configure it.
> 4. Therefore, CCIE's will no longer be required.
>
> Since point #3 is the cornerstone of his argument,
> if it's not true, then he
> is wrong.
>
> So what's his proof? That it is already at that
> point for home users? It's
> not possible to compare a single-router home user
> network with a large-scale
> network, containing hundreds or thousands of
> routers, often mixed vendor
> environments, and a variety of interconnecting
> technologies. He says that "it
> is close to that
> point now," but the network I manage is, uh, just a
> little bit harder to
> manage than my LinkSys box at home. The point that
> this guy is missing is
> that networks are inherently difficult to configure
> and manage for a simple
> reason: a network is really a heck of a lot of
> computers running distributed
> algorithms over a large area. Between the
> interaction of network devices with
> each other, and the interaction of end nodes with
> the network devices, a
> network is almost inevitably complex and will
> require skilled people to manage
> it.
>
> That's not to say that some day CCIE's won't go the
> way of mainframe systems
> programmers, but I doubt it will happen any time
> soon.
>
> Jeff McLaughlin
> CCIE #14023
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Roy
> Dempsey
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:11 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Slightly OT: Any truth in this?
>
> Came across this article, don't know anything about
> the source.
> However, as someone who's been studying for this for
> a long time, I
> hope its not accurate.
>
> Quote :
>
> "I was interested to see that RHCE (Red Hat
> Certified Engineer) was
> listed in slot 3 of certifications IT professionals
> want to get.
>
> CCIE ( Cisco Certified Internetwork Expert) is at
> the top, which I
> think shows tremendous short-sightedness. Folks,
> networking, routing
> and firewalls are still "hot" skills, but that's not
> going to last.
> All this stuff is going to be packaged up into teeny
> little hardware
> bundles that any idiot can configure - in fact, it
> is close to that
> point now and really is already for the home user.
> Yes, corporate
> networks demand a bit more, but not all that much
> more. In a few more
> years, you won't need any high-cost certified type
> to control even a
> fairly complex network.
>
> But OS support and administration has longer lasting
> legs. Any random
> idiot can't necessarily install and configure a
> server or maybe even a
>
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