From: Bajo (bajoalex@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Oct 14 2005 - 05:11:01 GMT-3
They should just give him a life-time and honorary CCIE ( Doctoral) Degree
:)
I know some Professional Licences wave or give credit for (exam and
experience) requirements to people who achieved Doctoral in that profession
(of course if they apply for it).
On 10/14/05, Kumar Raja-Q16843 <Raja.Kumar@motorola.com> wrote:
>
> Lets look it the other way ....
>
> Now, is it Doyle proud to be a CCIE or Cisco is proud to have a CCIE in
> Doyle ... Yo! That's the Million dollar question I guess.
>
> I don't really care whether Jeff is a CCIE or not, do you want to start
> a career in Networking? Then pick Jeff Doyle without a second
> thought.....and probably for another 100 years to go
>
> Raja
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Curtis Phillips
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 6:03 AM
> To: Guyler, Rik; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: RE : 2nd EDITION Routing TCP/IP Vol I Coming [7:103563]
>
> I wouldn't exactly call the cover and the credentials claimed on it as
> fluff as it probably influences a potential buyer's decision making
> process. On the other hand, Doyle is so widely known and respected, who
> actually cares whether he is still hopping through CCIE recert hoops?
>
> Is the book actually available yet?
>
>
> Doug, you hit it right on the head. I used to teach MS classes years
> ago
> and never did I learn so much about the content then when I was
> teaching it.
> You have to learn at a much higher level to do right by your students.
>
> Rik
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dszarmach [mailto:dszarmach@comhs.org]
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:28 PM
> To: cisco@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: RE : 2nd EDITION Routing TCP/IP Vol I Coming [7:103563]
>
> Priscilla - How did you get started as a writer? Is it profitable?
> Enjoyable? Or is the time and involvement not really worth the pay
> off?
>
> I'm sure you also extend your own knowledge when you write about a
> topic.....I think I read a statistic that the best way to remember
> something
> is to teach it to someone else.
>
> -
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 12:13 PM
> To: cisco@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: RE : 2nd EDITION Routing TCP/IP Vol I Coming [7:103563]
>
> nrf wrote:
> >
> > ""John Neiberger"" wrote in
> > message
> > news:200510121624.j9CGOAMF012967@groupstudy.com...
> > >I wonder how he feels writing for Cisco Press
> >considering that
> > he's been
> > > working at Juniper for years. :)
> >
> > Not only that, but I see that the book lists Doyle as a CCIE.
> > I thought he
> > had let his CCIE status expire years ago, ever since he joined the big
>
> >'J'.
> > I also thought that the rule from Cisco was that if you let your
> >status expire, you can't go around calling yourself a CCIE anymore.
> >
> > But then again, it wouldn't be the first time that an organization
> >concluded that it's allowed to break its own rules whenever it feels
> >like it.
>
> What organization are you referring to?
>
> Cisco Press is owned by Pearson Education, a huge but little known
> publishing conglomerate who also owns Addison Wesley, Prentice Hall,
> New
> Riders, Peachpit, Que, SAMS and a bunch of other imprints.
>
> Cisco influences the Cisco Press department of Pearson Education, but
> Pearson sets the rules. I'm sure they would be unhappy with one of
> their
> authors claiming a certification that they don't have.
> It
> could be a copy
> and paste error, left over from the 1st edition, if it's really not
> accurate. The publisher, not the author, does the book cover copy and
> some
> of the other fluff.
>
> >
> > Furthermore, there is some delicious irony in Cisco allowing a Juniper
>
> >employee to claim CCIE status that (if the above is
> >correct) he,
> > technically speaking, does not have. There is also heavy irony in the
>
> >notion that Cisco is hiring a Juniper employee to write Cisco training
>
> >materials.
>
> Authors write for themselves. They aren't hired. Maybe you're thinking
> of
> tech writers who are employees of a company? Cisco Press authors
> certainly
> aren't hired by Cisco. That's wayyyy offbase. Pearson Education pays
> the
> royalty checks.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
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-- Kind Regards,Bajo
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