From: Leon van Dongen (l.dongen1@chello.nl)
Date: Wed Dec 13 2006 - 06:30:22 ART
What is the basis for your allegation? Please explain why you think that 
the proctors don't test the CCIE exam's provided to students?
I sat the exam and I am honoroud to return to the test centre. However I 
know where I went wrong and it wasn't because hardware changes nor vague 
questions. The exam is fair... period!
Read about Cisco CCIE test development: 
http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/edu/2006/0522ed1.html
--Leon
Kenza@kenza.nl wrote:
> The cisco proctors need to do the ccie lab exam by them selves...they make
> labs without testing it correctly, they made a lot of mistakes in these new
> labs.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Gabriel Nunes
>   To: Plank, Jason
>   Cc: Mike O ; jenseike@start.no ; swm@emanon.com ; joe1265@hotmail.com ;
> sales@kenza.nl ; groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com ; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 7:28 PM
>   Subject: Re: anybody passed the CCIE r/s exam ?
>
>
>   I`d like to say Congratulations for who already got your CCIE number and
> didn`t face any issues with the exam!!!
>
>
>
>
>   On 12/12/06, Plank, Jason <JPlank@concordefs.com> wrote:
>     If you are so convinced that you had the correct answers then use a
> credit
>     card and request a re-read. Isn't it only 200 bucks?
>
>     YOU CAN DO EEEEEIIIIIITTTTTTTTT!
>
>     -------------------
>     Jason Plank, CCIE #16560
>     Technical Support Architect
>     101 Bellevue Parkway
>     Wilmington, DE 19809
>     E-mail: JPlank@concordefs.com
>     Phone: 302-793-5913
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com ] On Behalf Of
>     Gabriel Nunes
>     Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 12:10 PM
>     To: Mike O
>     Cc: jenseike@start.no; swm@emanon.com; joe1265@hotmail.com;
> sales@kenza.nl;
>     groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>     Subject: Re: anybody passed the CCIE r/s exam ?
>
>     Man,
>
>     I think is better we stop this message... I`m was clear with my points...
>
>     That question was a 3 point question and I didn`t find out what was wrong
> on
>     my Multicast, Security and BGP session where I got 0% on all of them.
>
>     That was the point. Wrong questions and "strange" scores.
>
>     Some guys already agreed with me after show my solutions... And others
> guys
>     took the same lab and did the same thing and got a different score...
>
>     On BGP there were 3 questions, one of 2 points and two of 3 points How
> can
>     someone get 28% of 8 points?? 2 of 8 is 25% and 3 of 8 is 37,5%
>
>     As I don`t have money to pay the reread I will keep studying more and
> more
>     until I pass.
>
>     SO LETS STOP THIS CONVERSATION, BECAUSE IT WON`T SOLVE ANY PROBLEM.
>
>
>     On 12/12/06, Mike O < mikeeo@msn.com> wrote:
>     >
>     > I have to agree some of the questions are a little crazy and most
> likely
>     > will be removed from future tests, but should one question fail you? no
>     > you
>     > should be solid in other areas.
>     >
>     > But then again one 2 point question can make or break ya :)
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > >From: "Gabriel Nunes" <gabriel.nunes@gmail.com >
>     > >Reply-To: "Gabriel Nunes" <gabriel.nunes@gmail.com>
>     > >To: "Jens Petter" <jenseike@start.no >
>     > >CC: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>, "Joe Yohannan"
> <joe1265@hotmail.com
>     > >,
>     > >         sales@kenza.nl, groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com,
>     > ccielab@groupstudy.com
>     > >Subject: Re: anybody passed the CCIE r/s exam ?
>     > >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:53:23 -0200
>     > >
>     > >Man, I know of this... But I have proves that they do mistakes
>     > sometimes...
>     > >I told before in this flow...
>     > >
>     > >I already asked for a reread and my score has growth (a lot)
>     > >There is question asking to store erros in the NVRAM... I opened a TAC
>     > and
>     > >they said that this is not possible...
>     > >We already had a router with ip base IOS...
>     > >
>     > >Those examples above are some of many others proving that we are
> injured
>     > >sometimes, but I agree that we have to be prepared for everything!
>     > >
>     > >I`m not blaming Cisco totally... I`m just saying that we are injured
>     > >sometimes... With the price we pay to take this test they should be
>     > PERFECT
>     > >in my opinion.
>     > >
>     > >It is not easy for me to pay $1250,00.
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >On 12/12/06, Jens Petter <jenseike@start.no > wrote:
>     > > >
>     > > > Know your stuff, and you will make it anywhere with any type of
>     > eqipment
>     > > > and
>     > > > everything else... I would think that people have not passed because
>     > >they
>     > > > where not preapered, not because of ciscos labs or equipment..
>     > > >
>     > > > I talked to one guy who got lab with 4 cat`s and he told me the lab
>     > was
>     > > > fair, very much duable and he passed... there is no reason that
> others
>     > > > shouldn't do the same if they have done their homework...
>     > > >
>     > > > In mine mine I think it is good that not that many passes... That
>     > proves
>     > > > that cisco has done a good jon keeping this lab the hardest cert out
>     > >there
>     > > > and keeping
>     > > > it valiuable.. If every other people passed, then this
> certification
>     > >would
>     > > > have a problem... I would have been as much worth as an mcse cert...
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > > > Mvh
>     > > > Jens Petter Eikeland
>     > > > Mob 98247550
>     > > > Hipercom AS
>     > > >
>     > > > -----Original Message-----
>     > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
>     > Of
>     > > > Scott Morris
>     > > > Sent: 12. desember 2006 03:29
>     > > > To: 'Joe Yohannan'; sales@kenza.nl; groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com;
>     > > > ccielab@groupstudy.com
>     > > > Subject: RE: anybody passed the CCIE r/s exam ?
>     > > >
>     > > > The format should be the same all around the world.  India lab
> doesn't
>     > > > have
>     > > > local equipment anyway, it's remote-access to one of the other
> labs.
>     > > >
>     > > > Perhaps it's merely an indication that people fear change and freak
>     > out
>     > > > about things?  Or simply that some of the L2 stuff being focussed on
>     > is
>     > > > not
>     > > > what people taking the lab are prepared for?
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > > > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>     > >JNCIE
>     > > > #153, CISSP, et al.
>     > > > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
>     > > > IPExpert VP - Curriculum Development
>     > > > IPExpert Sr. Technical Instructor
>     > > > smorris@ipexpert.com
>     > > > http://www.ipexpert.com
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > > > -----Original Message-----
>     > > > From: Joe Yohannan [mailto: joe1265@hotmail.com]
>     > > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:14 PM
>     > > > To: swm@emanon.com; sales@kenza.nl; groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com;
>     > > > ccielab@groupstudy.com
>     > > > Subject: RE: anybody passed the CCIE r/s exam ?
>     > > >
>     > > > 4 switches campared to 2 doesn't worry me.
>     > > >
>     > > > What does worry me is barely anyone has been passing since 11/13...
>     > > >
>     > > > I believe they have only gone through 50 numbers since then.  That
>     > > > includes
>     > > > numbers for the other tracks and India still using old lab format.
>     > > > (according to some one that posted here anyway)  Prior to 11/13,
> they
>     > >were
>     > > > going through 100 numbers a month.
>     > > >
>     > > > - Joe Yo
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > > > >From: "Scott Morris" < swm@emanon.com>
>     > > > >Reply-To: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
>     > > > >To: "'Kenza@kenza.nl '" <sales@kenza.nl>,
> <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com
>     > >,
>     > > >
>     > > > >    < ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>     > > > >Subject: RE: anybody passed the CCIE r/s exam ?
>     > > > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:50:50 -0500
>     > > > >
>     > > > >And if you prepare your mind for the complexity, you may be
>     > pleasantly
>     > > > >surprised if it's simple.
>     > > > >
>     > > > >And just because there are four switches doesn't mean the
> particular
>     > > > >lab you have is that tough with it.
>     > > > >
>     > > > >As Tony said, same technology different layout.
>     > > > >
>     > > > >
>     > > > >Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>     > > > >JNCIE #153, CISSP, et al.
>     > > > >CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
>     > > > >IPExpert VP - Curriculum Development
>     > > > >IPExpert Sr. Technical Instructor
>     > > > > smorris@ipexpert.com
>     > > > >http://www.ipexpert.com
>     > > > >
>     > > > >
>     > > > >
>     > > > >-----Original Message-----
>     > > > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
>     > Of
>     > > > > Kenza@kenza.nl
>     > > > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 7:45 AM
>     > > > >To: groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>     > > > >Subject: Re: anybody passed the CCIE r/s exam ?
>     > > > >
>     > > > >yes i know, but it get complex when you have 3 or 4 switches, more
>     > > > >diffuclties then when you have just 2 switches.
>     > > > >
>     > > > >
>     > > > >----- Original Message -----
>     > > > >From: "Tony Schaffran" <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com >
>     > > > >To: "'Kenza@kenza.nl'" <sales@kenza.nl>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com >
>     > > > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:35 PM
>     > > > >Subject: RE: anybody passed the CCIE r/s exam ?
>     > > > >
>     > > > >
>     > > > > > No need to get hung up on the actual number of switches.
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > > Spanning-tree is the same regardless if there are 2 switches or
>     > 20.
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > > Focus on the technology and you will pass.
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > > Tony Schaffran
>     > > > > > Network Analyst
>     > > > > > CCIE #11071
>     > > > > > CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
>     > > > > > NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > > www.cconlinelabs.com
>     > > > > > Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > > -----Original Message-----
>     > > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto: nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>     > Behalf
>     > > > > > Of Kenza@kenza.nl
>     > > > > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 3:08 AM
>     > > > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>     > > > > > Subject: anybody passed the CCIE r/s exam ?
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > > Anybody got lab with only 3 switches to configure ? or is it the
> 4
>     > > > > > switches which have to be configured.
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > > im going to take the exam in januari.
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > > thx for your input
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > > rgds,
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > > Disclaimer
>     > > > > >
>     > ********************************************************************
>     > > > > > **** Aan dit bericht kunnen geen rechten worden ontleend. Dit
>     > > > > > bericht is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Als u dit
>     > > > > > bericht per abuis hebt ontvangen, wordt u verzocht het te
>     > > > > > vernietigen en de afzender te informeren. Wij adviseren u om
> bij
>     > > > > > twijfel over de juistheid of de volledigheid van de mail contact
>     > met
>     > > > > > afzender op te nemen.
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > > This message shall not constitute any rights or obligations.
>     > > > > > This message is intended solely for the addressee.
>     > > > > > If you have received this message in error, please delete it
> and
>     > > > > > notify the sender immediately. When in doubt whether this
> message
>     > is
>     > > > > > correct or complete, please contact the sender.
>     > > > > >
>     > ********************************************************************
>     > > > > > ****
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > >
>     > ____________________________________________________________________
>     > > > > > ___ Subscription information may be found at:
>     > > > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > >
>     > > > >
>     > > > >
>     > > > >
>     > > > >
>     > > > >Disclaimer
>     > > >
>     >
>   
>> ***********************************************************************
>>     
>     > > > >* Aan dit bericht kunnen geen rechten worden ontleend. Dit bericht
> is
>     > > > >uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Als u dit bericht per
>     > abuis
>     > > > >hebt ontvangen, wordt u verzocht het te vernietigen en de afzender
> te
>     > > > >informeren. Wij adviseren u om bij twijfel over de juistheid of de
>     > > > >volledigheid van de mail contact met afzender op te nemen.
>     > > > >
>     > > > >This message shall not constitute any rights or obligations.
>     > > > >This message is intended solely for the addressee.
>     > > > >If you have received this message in error, please delete it and
>     > notify
>     > > > >the sender immediately. When in doubt whether this message is
> correct
>     > > > >or complete, please contact the sender.
>     > > >
>     >
>   
>> ***********************************************************************
>>     
>     > > > >*
>     > > > >
>     > > >
>     >
>   
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>>     
>     > > > >Subscription information may be found at:
>     > > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
>     > > > >
>     > > >
>     >
>   
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>>     
>     > > > >Subscription information may be found at:
>     > > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
>     > > >
>     > > > _________________________________________________________________
>     > > > MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks
> by
>     > > > style,
>     > > > age, and price. Try it!
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > >
>     >
>     http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601
> &tc
>     > > > ode=wlmtagline
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > _______________________________________________________________________
>     > > > Subscription information may be found at:
>     > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > _______________________________________________________________________
>     > > > Subscription information may be found at:
>     > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
>     > >
>     >
>   
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>>     
>     > >Subscription information may be found at:
>     > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
>
>     _______________________________________________________________________
>     Subscription information may be found at:
>     http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
>     -----------------------------------------
>     The information in this message may be proprietary and/or
>     confidential, and protected from disclosure.  If the reader of this
>     message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent
>     responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient,
>     you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or
>     copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have
>     received this communication in error, please notify First Data
>     immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your
>     computer.
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Subscription information may be found at: 
> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.4 : Tue Jan 02 2007 - 07:50:37 ART