From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Jan 10 2007 - 21:36:05 ART
This is a big endeavor for anyone.
Why hasn't a vendor thought of doing this?
They have forums already, they have resources and
expertise and materials.
I guess if someone else does it for free, then some
people might be unemployed. But others will still
need or want a class to help them get up to speed
quicker.
I guess everything on a given lab is on CCO somewhere
in one fashion or another.
Interesting concepts.
Cert Nerds / Tyler - Cisco CCIE fanatics from back in
the day. Cisco Employees too, right?
--- "Faryar Zabihi (fzabihi)" <fzabihi@cisco.com>
wrote:
> Post NDA violating email...people voice concern
> about posting...leave
> GS...come back to GS...announce a side study
> group...divide tasks and
> scenarios between participants...keep updating GS
> about
> progress..."sharing is caring, we will win"
> Got it...I love the idea.
> Good luck on your studies
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Noel Debouver III
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 5:16 PM
> To: Noel Debouver III; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Lab Study Partner
>
> Hello,
>
> It seems the list has grown by both leaps and by
> bounds.
>
> Here are some answers to the FAQ's I've already
> received:
>
> 1. The current track being sudied for is RS.
> However, due to overlap
> with SP and Security and to some degree Voice, if
> you are studying these
> tracks you may wish to follow along.
>
> 2. While the study-group is voluntary,
> participation is mandatory.
> I.E. If you want to get the latest updates, you'll
> have to work and
> produce results as well.
>
> 3. While I am insterested in primarily a layered
> step-by-step
> approach, I do realize that some study-group
> participants are more
> advanced than others. I will make assignments per
> subject matter area
> for each of the recognized sections for interested
> parties to complete.
>
> 4. The approach is simple. We are a group of
> like-minded
> professionals who are interested in passing the
> exams as quickly and as
> efficiently as possible, we will learn the
> technologies along the way.
> This means the format of the practices will have to
> be followed to the
> letter. This methodology will transcend any language
> barriers or other
> impedents to our combined success.
>
> 5. It has been a long time since Cert-Nerds from
> Cisco started their
> program of study. Tyler's Landmines have not been
> forgotten.
>
> 6. This type of collaborative effort has not yet
> been realized by
> Groupstudy since its inception although it was
> considered at one time.
> Let's make this a success.
>
> 7. I have heard that I have been referred to as
> both a hero and as a
> complete idiot for posting my queries and making my
> bold statements,
> that most of us in the know, already know to be
> completely true, but for
> obvious reasons no one seems to want to accept. We
> all know why. FYI -
> I think I am neither, I am a learner and I intend to
> learn by whatever
> means necessary.
>
> 8. It is on the basis of the facts in item 7 that
> I have decided to
> break from the culture that has been groupstudy and
> start a new study
> group. Basically, it will be what groupstudy should
> have been a
> technology by technology breakdown, complete with
> exercises and labs for
> each technology including all manner of
> questions/answers, and
> especially lab exercises. Now some may argue, this
> will hurt the
> current vendors who sell labs. Not true, for I, a
> simple lab candidate
> do not hold any one of the current vendor's level of
> expertise, I simply
> am quite methodical in my madness, I do not sleep,
> and am quite the
> machine when it comes to realizing the goals I
> choose to seek.
>
> 9. Every student on groupstudy who truly seeks to
> learn from this
> experiment. If it is true and every technology is
> tested with
> configurations examples (one by one) both completely
> with a written
> breakdown/explanation, extensive questions and
> answers, and complete lab
> examples with both show and debug output for each of
> the examples, then
> we will have created the most explicit documentation
> and training
> materials to date and will have done so for free.
>
> 10. The lab topology to be used will be a similar
> topology as used on
> the both the CCIE Lab and CCIE Accessor. The labs
> will vary and will be
> complete as to the extent of our collective
> imagination, with over
> 10,000 potential lab-study partners that is a lot of
> potential energy.
> Naturally, the exact condigurations cannot be used
> for obvious reasons
> but other vendors use a similar topology that at
> least includes the
> topology used by the CCIE Lab and Accessor Labs. It
> is under this basis
> that this does not break the NDA.
>
> 11. Better Network Engineers by Network Engineer
> and for Network
> Engineers.
>
> Let's see how this program works.
>
> I already have over 100 lab study buddies who have
> been to the lab 0-4
> times each and this list seems to be growing.
>
> Not bad for less than 72 hours or so.
>
> The first assignments will be handed out this
> coming weekend.
>
> 1. Frame Relay
>
> 2. Switching (Broken down by sub-category)
>
> 3. L3 Interior Protocols
>
> 4. BGP
>
> 5. IPv6
>
> 6. Misc. Topics
>
> 7. IP Multicast
>
> 8. QoS
>
> 9. Security
>
> 10. Troubleshooting Techniques
>
> If you have a preference on areas you would like
> to work on in
> particular - notify me and I'll assign you your
> assignments.
>
> If you need to know more about certain areas, let
> me know and I'll
> provide you some materials and references to help
> you out in those
> areas, AFTER you have completed your designated
> assignments.
>
> Format will need to be followed or assignments
> will not be accepted
> for credit for areas that you need help with.
>
> If you think the format I have sent you can be
> improved, all input is
> welcome.
>
> Most exercises, can be completed on but a few
> routers (perhaps as few
> as one in some cases and as many as 4 and the same
> applies to switches).
>
> Give a little to get a lot.
>
> Sharing is Caring.
>
> We Will Win.
>
> Full challenge lab opportunities will be made
> available
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