From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Feb 19 2007 - 23:53:10 ART
DW,
There is this author that goes around from restaurant to restaurant and
tastes the food and compares the menus and writes an article in the local
news paper, they just recently found out that the guy was an alcoholic and
his taste bbbbbbbuds were shot, I didn't know that group study was
interviewing for a commentator and/or I have not seen or read your new paper
or articles, but you should stop drinking, because its starting to effect
your taste buuuuuuds as well. Mate you are so wrong it's beyond discussion.
On 2/19/07, Ian Stong <istong@stong.org> wrote:
>
> One other note - I would not put too much weight in the number of CCIE's
> posted on a website that have used a particular vendors product. Some
> vendors offer nicer incentives to candidates to keep them posted on their
> passing or not and some just are better at marketing it than others.
> Nothing against any of the vendors - just an observation....
>
>
> Ian
> www.ccie4u.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 7:52 PM
> To: Narbik Kocharians; Marvin Greenlee
> Cc: Brian Dennis; jennytan; Brian McGahan; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Passing CCIE Stats.
>
> All,
>
> Brian Dennis has a valid point, their site does list a
> very impressive list of passing CCIE's (the most of
> any vendor currently and for a while now) and if an
> existing CCIE with a lower CCIE number actually
> reported passing using the InternetworkExpert
> End-to-End CCIE program of study (for the first time,
> perhaps) then, I suspect that lower number would
> probably show up close to the top of the list.
>
> And recall that many CCIE's pass and have used one or
> more vendor's products - so a given name might show up
> on one or more sites.
>
> What the list does not show is which vendors helped
> them make it over the edge - this you'll have to read
> the success stories here on GS for or simply ask them.
>
> Now, I hate to hurt anyone's feelings but just about
> anyone (someone may want to count them and actually
> try and correct me here) who has ever used
> InternetworkExpert's materials has typically put them
> in the "this is why I passed" category. Going a step
> further, I have also read some other less flattering
> comments about other vendors as well in the same
> testimonials, but overall those who pass using more
> than one vendor's materials will be cordial to all who
> helped them along the way.
>
> So, what I got from this, after reading so many CCIE
> success stories over the past 6-7 years is that
> InternetworkExpert is burning CCIE's faster than a
> "skillet of popcorn"... on a high heat.
>
> What is more it seems is that if all of the people who
> are passing using the IE materials were using other
> vendor's materials, the other vendors are failing to
> keep track of it and posting it as a result (this
> might mean a poor repoire - but I do not believe that
> at all - so it does mean that IE must be selling like
> hotcakes).
>
> I do not want to tell anyone how to run their
> business's or pricing model, but $5000.00 for an end
> to end program - including workbook, audio, 2 weeks in
> class in-person, COD, 1 Week Mock Labs, and another
> set of 10 Core Labs, and an ever-increasing technology
> library - CAN BE VERY VERY PERSUASIVE, especially
> given the quality of the goods. They are typically
> rate 5 STARS (*****).
>
> So if you are another vendor and you cost more than
> something like this, you might want to re-evaluate
> your pricing plans - unless you have enough business
> already:
>
> 1. 2 Weeks CCIE-Level Foundations - If you cost more
> that $3000-5000.00 - you might have some issues
> competing.
>
> 2. 1 Week Mock Labs - If you cost more than say
> $1000.00 or so... You could find it very hard to
> compete.
>
> 3. If your whole program exceeds say $5,000.00
> end-to-end - You got issues.
>
> 4. If you do not have an equal or better group of
> product offerings - You may have some problems
> competing with these guys.
>
> Anyone caring to research each vendor's site can check
> and compare.
>
> Excuse me if I made any mistakes.
>
> It has been my humble observance that
> InternetworkExpert has set a pretty high standard of
> expectations on what exactly "AN END-TO-END CCIE
> PROGRAM" actually means.
>
> Mostly everyone else is trying to keep up or tread
> water and if I were in the top four, I might feel a
> bit threatened.
>
> The program these guys are offering appears to scale
> very well.
>
> Hey, if you do not believe me - check each site and
> make a spreadsheet and compare apples to apples.
>
> We are all IT people and spreadsheets are common
> knowledge these days.
>
> Do homework and take a look around...
>
> Maybe all CCIE Vendors ought to take a step back and
> ask themselves "Exactly what is InternetworkExpert
> doing right?" and perhaps we all would benefit
> greatly.
>
> Back to my racks...
>
> Got some work to knock out...
>
> 4 more hours tonight...
>
> And yes my name will likely be on each vendor's list
> as well. Since I've used them all at this point in
> the game and will use each of them to compare and
> contrast my skills.
>
> Basically, as Bruce Caslow from NetMasterClass says
> "The best CCIE Lab prep compares your checklist
> against anyone's labs".
>
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-- Narbik Kocharians CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security) CCSI# 30832 Network Learning, Inc. (CCIE class Instructor) www.ccbootcamp.com (CCIE Training)
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