From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Apr 08 2007 - 12:09:55 ART
I know his next classes appear to be booked in May,
there are some extra weeks in the in the three week
version, but the classes are pretty much booked.
For some reason the list does not seem to like HU very
much.
If you want more info unicast me.
Bascially there are several things he does that not
every does either enough of from what I have seen so
far, or they may only mention some of these things and
not cover them to the degree of their relative worth
to a passing lab candidate.
1. The Discovery Phase - While others go to some
details to explain this phase, HU ensures that this
phase is among the most impoertant that you learn and
his labs are focused on ensuring you learn how to
discover your pod, document it thoroughly yet quickly
(45 min goal), and that you can safely rely on your
findings or you have a serious round of questions for
the proctor.
- This is important - if you screw up interface types
or subnet masks - you may have problems you do not
need later in the exam. If you survice HU, these are
strengths for you and not weaknesses.
2. BB Connectivity - Again others may actually give
you these in your labs - HU makes no such assumption
and he ensures you are very experienced at this
CRITICAL task and that you learn to do it early NOT
later and he explains to you why it IS important to do
so.
- I recall from other Bootcamps being told to expect
the unexpected when it comes to the BB and some labs
were tricky. None were like HU, his reminded me very
much of the same dilemmas I had while I sat both of my
labs. He brought it home and his simple yet effective
techniques may have helped me overcome a hurdle that
would otherwise cost me a few more lab attempts.
- This is major for anyone who thought they had a
"Golden Moment" inside their pod, but still had a
problem with the BB.
- Pass or Fail - Right here, Righ now.
3. If you ever thought you knew how to subnet, HU will
challenge you here and like none I have seen yet.
Others cover it, HU will challenge you to ensure you
know it, remember he expects you to do it with your
eyes closed and he means it. In other classes it is
assumed of the student - HU makes no assumptions
whatsoever. You either can or you cannot and if you
better know how to come up with the least number of
statement for any ACLs. Math will become a true and
solid strength. Again he has his techniques and they
are effective.
- Let's see - if you have to filter in the lab or
summarize in the lab and fail to do so, you may lose
points and you may just fail. Can I be more clear of
the importance of these tasks? If I cannot, then I
assure you HU can.
- Any type of ACL is fair game, AND/XOR, Even/Odd, and
anything in between - just as in the lab it MIGHT be.
Some classes I have attended stress other topics, not
that HU does not, but he knows people are scared of
MATH and he removes this fear through solid techniques
and solid experience, each and every day.
4. There have been many questions on this list about
how to approach the proctor, how to word questions,
and how many questions to ask, etc. Others have told
me to ensure I bring my lab book up with me, make no
assumptions, bring my lawyer, and to ask intelligent
questions. This is simply not enough and not near
enough detail on what to ask, why, and how.
- HU has been from my experience thus far, the most
detailed person on how to attain this MOST valuable
skill - one of the three MOST valuable resources we
all have during a lab is the PROCTOR, yet in two lab
attempts and watching about 20-25 lab candidates take
the damned thing very few seemed to ask any questions
at all, they sat in the lab and just drowned and some,
like me thought they pretty much had and might have
asked a couple of questions but not enough, and not
the right ones anyway.
- I may be wrong here as some people (other
instructors) have told me quite plainly that I have
not attended their own classes, not to assume that
this and other things are not covered to this detail;
however, I have everyone's products in one iteration
or another, even the European and Asian/Indian
offerings and I can assure you all - I HAVE NOT SEEN
IT YET - This is why I was quite amazed.
- When I first spoke to one student about his 3-week
experience, my eyes were WIDE OPEN. So many things
were just made clear. When I sat my own class (the
experience lessened by my own sickness,
unfortunately), I saw so many things from the lab that
were so clear and unmistakable, it was like OMG - not
necessarily NDA violations as much as TRUTHS and
things I had simply assumed. Now this is not a wake
up call someone who has been to say 6-8 weeks of PAID
BOOTCAMPS ought to be having on just DAY-1 of anyone's
classes. These are things that just were not made
clear by any other classes I had been to yet, and some
were alluded to or suggested, but none had been so
abrupt and genuinely "honest" in the approach to
making the point.
- This is UNIQUE - if I told you more HU would kill
me. If you've been to the rest and you still have not
passed, then you may need to make a trip to visit
Heiko or HU or another who teaches their art. Cause
while you may find it elsewhere, I would NOT bet on
it.
5. The UNIVERCD - Another of the three most useful
tools in the Lab, others stress it. With HU, you
cannot complete his labs w/o it. Simple as that. You
will be forced to learn it, use it, love it, know it,
and you will leave with a firm and confident ability
to simply find anything and find it quickly as a
result of his techniques. Again, others stress it
true, but none of the materials that I have yet to see
or the classes made me dig like HU did, and maybe this
is my fault for "cheating sometimes and using an AK".
- BTW - HU will not give ANY AK till the end of the
class, he keeps you on your toes and while I solidly
disagreed with this the entire time, thinking I could
be learning from it, by the end of the week, I
understood why he did not give us immediate
gratification and since I actually had to LEARN each
topic without the benefit of knowing how it was solved
on the last lab, I had to LEARN why on the fly - again
hello proctor and hello UNIVERCD.
6. Challenge - No other instructor actually watched my
every keystroke, no other instructor actually asked me
why - mostly each and every time. I could argue that
I was trying to take a "MOCK LAB" but HU is not about
scores and about EGO, he is about solid learning and
about ensuring his students get their digits. I had a
hard time with this at first and I learned to bite my
tongue and to use the proctor and the UNIVERCD.
- Seriously, the man WILL ask you WHY you need the
question mark as you type and you better have an
answer.
- He is not sleeping during class, he is not doing
anything else but using all of his skills to ensure
that you learn how to apply yours. Again, we have all
been to classes and we love our CORE-4, but unless
someone pleasantly surprises me, I think I can say
that I got more 1-on-1 attention in HU's class than
all of the other 6-8 weeks combined from ALL the other
classes and instructors. And I was sick 1/2 of the
time.
- This level of quality-assurance and of attention is
hard to find - very hard to find - but perhaps it is
our fault as consumers for not demanding it.
- In some classes I attended, I felt like either the
best prepped students got the grease, or those who
were terribly and visibly lost got the grease, and us
in between were mostly left to our own devices - I did
not feel like this with HU. He gave each student
attnetion and feedback on a 1-on-1 basis. And I
understand he personally mentors each of his
instructors to do the same (they are also ALL former
students with no exception).
Overall the rest of the technical tips, tricks, topics
etc. are more or less what you will see in other labs,
no doubt, but the way you feel after you leave HU is
quite different and quite extraordinary. I've felt
better prepped after each of my classes, no doubt, but
I can honestly say, that even if I were going to start
teaching a class any CCIE-level class, I have learned
a lot from HU, that I simple DID NOT learn anywhere
else. He has one goal: TO EMPOWER YOU TO PASS THE
LAB.
Others have lists - and some people on the list just
simply bought the materials and they passed the lab
eventually. However - some of those even went to HU
before passing the Lab.
I do not in all my years reading this list and
scouring the Internet as few others may have done,
have ever heard of anyone having to go to another
trainer to PASS THE LAB after taking a HU Bootcamp.
Anyone know different?
Now I may be the sole exception to this rule, but
again, I have more objectives than simply passing a
certification exam and even the CCIE is simply an exam
for me.
So their you have it.
I have told you some of the deep dark secrets of HU
and some of the things I think are important.
I might add he seems to customize a bit as he goes
just to personalize the experience, maybe to help
protect his copyrights - must be effective, when is
the last time anyone saw a PDF of a HU Lab laying
around on a pubstro, newsgroup, or torrent?
Believe it or not he is modest at least as much as
some of my other favorite instructors and he is
definately as sincere.
I still do not quite understand the animosity others
seem to have for him on this list.
He's apparently not even a member here.
Go figure.
Jealousy? Competition? Mabye because he's been at it
longer than most others here, even most of our
favorites?
Anyway HU.com spelled out and email at H@HU.com or
H.U.@HU.com
The name is banned and any message with it will not
post of GS.
Again unicast me for details.
--- "A.G. Ananth Sarma (GMail)"
<ananth.sarma@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Darby,
>
> This is very good sense of humor.
>
> By the way, any update on HU's class?
>
> ( I am serious and if you do not want to tell
> everybody, you may unicast
> me!)
>
> Regards,
>
> Ananth
>
>
> On 4/6/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Actually,
> >
> > Just register a different CCO number a few times
> under
> > a few names and take the lab several times and
> pass at
> > least 4 times.
> >
> > You cannot use your SSN in this case.
> >
> > (And rememeber just because personality #1 can
> pass
> > the RS in one take, does not mean the three rocks
> can,
> > they may require a few shots).
> >
> > Do the same thing for the CCNP - again 4 different
> > aliases, 4 diff CSCO Numbers, and 4 CCO Accounts.
> >
> > Do the same thing for the CCNA/CCDA level
> >
> > Do the same thing for the Sales Certs.
> >
> > Let's see - you have 16 split personalities and
> can
> > now fill the 16 roles required for Gold Level
> > Partnership.
> >
> > The problem comes when you have to fill out 16
> income
> > tax returns and when you have to be in 16
> locations.
> >
> > Of course you could probable leagally marry 8 of
> your
> > personalities to the other 8... So your income
> tax
> > filing problem are sortof 1/2 of what they were.
> >
> > And you could always assign teams to projects
> instead
> > of splitting them up.
> >
> > Now if you provide remote services and learn to
> script
> > very well and multi-task at least moderately
> well...
> >
> >
> > Just remember to bill for each of your split
> > personalities, since they gotta be legit
> employees.
> >
> > And don't forget each personality needs a personal
> > cell, a personal email, a bio on the website, and
> lest
> > we forget a personal VPN account. Now I have seen
> a
> > co-worker use VM's to use multiple VPN Clients on
> one
> > machine to simoultaneously VPN to accounts...
> >
> > So tell me, I wonder what happens if a person
> actually
> > used this technique to pay federal taxes, I mean
> take
> > one job under SSN #1 and another job under SSN #2,
> > etc. A new tax loophole...?
> >
> >
> > Whew!
> >
> > Bizarro World...
> >
> > The things some people won't do to become a
> one-man
> > Cisco Gold Partner in this day and age.
> >
> > OK - Guys back the CatOS to IOS Conversion that
> didn't
> > quite happent the way I expected last night.
> >
> > Later...
> >
> >
> > BTW - This was a bit of joke... Even if someone
> does
> > actually do it at some point.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> >
> > > No, there must be multiple people in different
> > > roles. Otherwise, strange
> > > folk like me could be Gold Partners all by
> > > themselves. :)
> > >
> > > The partner requirements pages on CCO should
> spell
> > > all this out. Otherwise
> > > your CAM will be able to give you the
> requirements.
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott Morris, CCIE4
> (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> > > Provider) #4713, JNCIE
> > > #153, CISSP, et al.
> > > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> > > IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development
> > > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> > > smorris@ipexpert.com
> > > http://www.ipexpert.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Anis
> > > Faruqui
> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 9:05 AM
> > > To: Cisco certification
> > > Subject: OT-Partner Certification
> > >
> > > Hi Friends,
> > >
> > > Sorry for an OT-It will be very kind of you
> Gurus to
> > > let me know about the
> > > Cisco Partners eligibilty .Can they put thier
> Single
> > > Employee having
> > > multiple certification in the different roles
> asked
> > > by cisco to satisfy some
> > > partner level like silver or Gold.
> > >
> > > For example for Silver Partnership A company
> need 1
> > > CCNA,CCDA,CCNP,CCVP,CCIE.
> > >
> > > So if the Company's sinigle Employee is holding
> all
> > > this certificates is he
> > > qualified to be placed as an individual for each
> of
> > > this cerfiticates?
> > >
> > > Need your insight on this matter.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Anis Faruqui...
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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