From: Digital Yemeni (digital.yemeni@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Apr 08 2007 - 22:58:38 ART
I honestly wanted to ask where do you get all this $$ to go for all these
trainings! You must be very rich! :D How nice of you if you can share with
me some and let me go with you for classes ....and i will definitely support
you and H.U as well ;-)
On 4/9/07, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
>
> Not to be too quippish at this point, but I am very curious as to why you
> are still booking or looking to book classes with other vendors?
>
> Not only the past few missives about needing nothing more and sticking
> with
> the "one" you speak most highly of. But what is the point of attending so
> much training? Do you just have an unlimited training budget to play
> with?
> (I'm jealous!)
>
> Would your time not be better spent taking the skills that you have
> learned,
> and how you have bettered yourself and sticking with those in order to
> study
> more details on your own time and go do the lab?
>
> Apparantly I'm just missing something here at a very basic level. Mayhap
> that makes me different. (smirk)
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE
> #153, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development
> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> smorris@ipexpert.com
> http://www.ipexpert.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 1:47 PM
> To: Darby Weaver; A.G. Ananth Sarma (GMail)
> Cc: Anis Faruqui; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: OT-Partner Certification
>
> Let's see if this one makes the list.
>
>
> Now for everone who is not paying attention: This is a simple answer to a
> simple question.
>
> No religious battles between vendors is intended and if so, I can be
> unicasted by them as well as by regular users.
>
> And FYI - I am still booking classes with other vendors as well - so
> before
> you go thinking that I've only tasted a few cuisines and am hooked.
>
>
> There are several more vendors on my list to either visit or re-visit.
>
> And FYI - I'm thinking of starting my own CCIE List since it seems my
> posts
> keep getting banned if I use certain names.
>
> What is korea and this list have in common anyway?
>
>
> Does anyone else get bounces with kornet most every time you post or is
> it
> just when there is a nobody in the account?
>
> Remember - I post on several corners of the net - so if you find it odd
> that
> I did not seem to to respond, I probably did... You just didn't get it.
>
>
>
> --- Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I know his next classes appear to be booked in May, there are some extra
> weeks in the in the three week version, but the classes are pretty much
> booked.
>
> For some reason the list does not seem to like him very much.
>
> If you want more info unicast me.
>
>
> Bascially there are several things he does that not every does either
> enough
> of from what I have seen so far, or they may only mention some of these
> things and not cover them to the degree of their relative worth to a
> passing
> lab candidate.
>
> 1. The Discovery Phase - While others go to some details to explain this
> phase, he ensures that this phase is among the most impoertant that you
> learn and his labs are focused on ensuring you learn how to discover your
> pod, document it thoroughly yet quickly (45 min goal), and that you can
> safely rely on your findings or you have a serious round of questions for
> the proctor.
>
> - This is important - if you screw up interface types or subnet masks -
> you
> may have problems you do not need later in the exam. If you survive,
> these
> are strengths for you and not weaknesses.
>
> 2. BB Connectivity - Again others may actually give you these in your labs
> -
> He makes no such assumption and he ensures you are very experienced at
> this
> CRITICAL task and that you learn to do it early NOT later and he explains
> to
> you why it IS important to do so.
>
> - I recall from other Bootcamps being told to expect the unexpected when
> it
> comes to the BB and some labs were tricky. None were like HIS, his
> reminded
> me very much of the same dilemmas I had while I sat both of my labs. He
> brought it home and his simple yet effective techniques may have helped me
> overcome a hurdle that would otherwise cost me a few more lab attempts.
>
> - This is major for anyone who thought they had a "Golden Moment" inside
> their pod, but still had a problem with the BB.
>
> - Pass or Fail - Right here, Right now.
>
> 3. If you ever thought you knew how to subnet, he will challenge you here
> and like none I have seen yet.
> Others cover it, he will challenge you to ensure you know it, remember he
> expects you to do it with your eyes closed and he means it. In other
> classes it is assumed of the student - he makes no assumptions whatsoever.
> You either can or you cannot and if you better know how to come up with
> the
> least number of statement for any ACLs. Math will become a true and solid
> strength. Again he has his techniques and they are effective.
>
> - Let's see - if you have to filter in the lab or summarize in the lab and
> fail to do so, you may lose points and you may just fail. Can I be more
> clear of the importance of these tasks? If I cannot, then I assure you he
> can.
>
> - Any type of ACL is fair game, AND/XOR, Even/Odd, and anything in between
> -
> just as in the lab it MIGHT be. Some classes I have attended stress other
> topics, not that he does not, but he knows people are scared of MATH and
> he
> removes this fear through solid techniques and solid experience, each and
> every day.
>
> 4. There have been many questions on this list about how to approach the
> proctor, how to word questions, and how many questions to ask,
> etc. Others
> have told me to ensure I bring my lab book up with me, make no
> assumptions,
> bring my lawyer, and to ask intelligent questions. This is simply not
> enough and not near enough detail on what to ask, why, and how.
>
> - He has been from my experience thus far, the most detailed person on how
> to attain this MOST valuable skill - one of the three MOST valuable
> resources we all have during a lab is the PROCTOR, yet in two lab attempts
> and watching about 20-25 lab candidates take the damned thing very few
> seemed to ask any questions at all, they sat in the lab and just drowned
> and
> some, like me thought they pretty much had and might have asked a couple
> of
> questions but not enough, and not the right ones anyway.
>
> - I may be wrong here as some people (other
> instructors) have told me quite plainly that I have not attended their own
> classes, not to assume that this and other things are not covered to this
> detail; however, I have everyone's products in one iteration or another,
> even the European and Asian/Indian offerings and I can assure you all - I
> HAVE NOT SEEN IT YET - This is why I was quite amazed.
>
> - When I first spoke to one student about his 3-week experience, my eyes
> were WIDE OPEN. So many things were just made clear. When I sat my own
> class (the experience lessened by my own sickness, unfortunately), I saw
> so
> many things from the lab that were so clear and unmistakable, it was like
> OMG - not necessarily NDA violations as much as TRUTHS and things I had
> simply assumed. Now this is not a wake up call someone who has been to
> say
> 6-8 weeks of PAID BOOTCAMPS ought to be having on just DAY-1 of anyone's
> classes. These are things that just were not made clear by any other
> classes I had been to yet, and some were alluded to or suggested, but none
> had been so abrupt and genuinely "honest" in the approach to making the
> point.
>
> - This is UNIQUE - if I told you more he would kill me. If you've been to
> the rest and you still have not passed, then you may need to make a trip
> to
> visit any of the instructors who teaches their art. Cause while you may
> find it elsewhere, I would NOT bet on it.
>
> 5. The UNIVERCD - Another of the three most useful tools in the Lab,
> others
> stress it. With him, you cannot complete his labs w/o it. Simple as
> that.
> You will be forced to learn it, use it, love it, know it, and you will
> leave
> with a firm and confident ability to simply find anything and find it
> quickly as a result of his techniques. Again, others stress it true, but
> none of the materials that I have yet to see or the classes made me dig
> like
> he did, and maybe this is my fault for "cheating sometimes and using an
> AK".
>
>
>
> - BTW - He will not give ANY AK till the end of the class, he keeps you on
> your toes and while I solidly disagreed with this the entire time,
> thinking
> I could be learning from it, by the end of the week, I understood why he
> did
> not give us immediate gratification and since I actually had to LEARN each
> topic without the benefit of knowing how it was solved on the last lab, I
> had to LEARN why on the fly
> - again hello proctor and hello UNIVERCD.
>
> 6. Challenge - No other instructor actually watched my every keystroke, no
> other instructor actually asked me why - mostly each and every time. I
> could argue that I was trying to take a "MOCK LAB" but he is not about
> scores and about EGO, he is about solid learning and about ensuring his
> students get their digits. I had a hard time with this at first and I
> learned to bite my tongue and to use the proctor and the UNIVERCD.
>
> - Seriously, the man WILL ask you WHY you need the question mark as you
> type
> and you better have an answer.
>
> - He is not sleeping during class, he is not doing anything else but using
> all of his skills to ensure that you learn how to apply yours. Again, we
> have all been to classes and we love our CORE-4, but unless someone
> pleasantly surprises me, I think I can say that I got more 1-on-1
> attention
> in his class than all of the other 6-8 weeks combined from ALL the
> other classes and instructors. And I was sick 1/2 of
> the time.
>
> - This level of quality-assurance and of attention is hard to find - very
> hard to find - but perhaps it is our fault as consumers for not demanding
> it.
>
> - In some classes I attended, I felt like either the best prepped students
> got the grease, or those who were terribly and visibly lost got the
> grease,
> and us in between were mostly left to our own devices - I did not feel
> like
> this with him. He gave each student attention and feedback on a 1-on-1
> basis. And I understand he personally mentors each of his instructors to
> do
> the same (they are also ALL former students with no exception).
>
> Overall the rest of the technical tips, tricks, topics etc. are more or
> less
> what you will see in other labs, no doubt, but the way you feel after you
> leave him is quite different and quite extraordinary.
> I've felt better prepped after each of my classes, no doubt, but I can
> honestly say, that even if I were going to start teaching a class any
> CCIE-level class, I have learned a lot from him, that I simple DID NOT
> learn
> anywhere else. He has one goal: TO EMPOWER YOU TO PASS THE LAB.
>
> Others have lists - and some people on the list just simply bought the
> materials and they passed the lab eventually. However - some of those
> even
> went to HIM before passing the Lab.
>
> I do not in all my years reading this list and scouring the Internet as
> few
> others may have done, have ever heard of anyone having to go to another
> trainer to PASS THE LAB after taking a H-Camp.
>
> Anyone know different?
>
> Now I may be the sole exception to this rule, but again, I have more
> objectives than simply passing a certification exam and even the CCIE is
> simply an exam for me.
>
> So their you have it.
>
> I have told you some of the deep dark secrets of his and some of the
> things
> I think are important.
>
> I might add he seems to customize a bit as he goes just to personalize the
> experience, maybe to help protect his copyrights - must be effective, when
> is the last time anyone saw a PDF of a Lab of his laying around on a
> pubstro, newsgroup, or torrent?
>
> Believe it or not he is modest at least as much as some of my other
> favorite
> instructors and he is definately as sincere.
>
> I still do not quite understand the animosity others seem to have for him
> on
> this list.
>
> He's apparently not even a member here.
>
> Go figure.
>
> Jealousy? Competition? Mabye because he's been at it longer than most
> others here, even most of our favorites?
>
>
> The name is banned and any message with it will not post of GS.
>
> Again unicast me for details.
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- "A.G. Ananth Sarma (GMail)"
> > <ananth.sarma@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Darby,
> > >
> > > This is very good sense of humor.
> > >
> > > By the way, any update on H class?
> > >
> > > ( I am serious and if you do not want to tell everybody, you may
> > > unicast
> > > me!)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Ananth
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/6/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Actually,
> > > >
> > > > Just register a different CCO number a few times
> > > under
> > > > a few names and take the lab several times and
> > > pass at
> > > > least 4 times.
> > > >
> > > > You cannot use your SSN in this case.
> > > >
> > > > (And rememeber just because personality #1 can
> > > pass
> > > > the RS in one take, does not mean the three
> > rocks
> > > can,
> > > > they may require a few shots).
> > > >
> > > > Do the same thing for the CCNP - again 4
> > different
> > > > aliases, 4 diff CSCO Numbers, and 4 CCO
> > Accounts.
> > > >
> > > > Do the same thing for the CCNA/CCDA level
> > > >
> > > > Do the same thing for the Sales Certs.
> > > >
> > > > Let's see - you have 16 split personalities and
> > > can
> > > > now fill the 16 roles required for Gold Level Partnership.
> > > >
> > > > The problem comes when you have to fill out 16
> > > income
> > > > tax returns and when you have to be in 16
> > > locations.
> > > >
> > > > Of course you could probable leagally marry 8 of
> > > your
> > > > personalities to the other 8... So your income
> > > tax
> > > > filing problem are sortof 1/2 of what they were.
> > > >
> > > > And you could always assign teams to projects
> > > instead
> > > > of splitting them up.
> > > >
> > > > Now if you provide remote services and learn to
> > > script
> > > > very well and multi-task at least moderately
> > > well...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Just remember to bill for each of your split personalities, since
> > > > they gotta be legit
> > > employees.
> > > >
> > > > And don't forget each personality needs a
> > personal
> > > > cell, a personal email, a bio on the website,
> > and
> > > lest
> > > > we forget a personal VPN account. Now I have
> > seen
> > > a
> > > > co-worker use VM's to use multiple VPN Clients
> > on
> > > one
> > > > machine to simoultaneously VPN to accounts...
> > > >
> > > > So tell me, I wonder what happens if a person
> > > actually
> > > > used this technique to pay federal taxes, I mean
> > > take
> > > > one job under SSN #1 and another job under SSN
> > #2,
> > > > etc. A new tax loophole...?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Whew!
> > > >
> > > > Bizarro World...
> > > >
> > > > The things some people won't do to become a
> > > one-man
> > > > Cisco Gold Partner in this day and age.
> > > >
> > > > OK - Guys back the CatOS to IOS Conversion that
> > > didn't
> > > > quite happent the way I expected last night.
> > > >
> > > > Later...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BTW - This was a bit of joke... Even if someone
> > > does
> > > > actually do it at some point.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > No, there must be multiple people in different roles.
> > > > > Otherwise, strange folk like me could be Gold Partners all by
> > > > > themselves. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > The partner requirements pages on CCO should
> > > spell
> > > > > all this out. Otherwise
> > > > > your CAM will be able to give you the
> > > requirements.
> > > > >
> > > > > HTH,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott Morris, CCIE4
> > > (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> > > > > Provider) #4713, JNCIE
> > > > > #153, CISSP, et al.
> > > > > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> > > > > IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development IPexpert Sr. Technical
> > > > > Instructor smorris@ipexpert.com http://www.ipexpert.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Anis
> > > > > Faruqui
> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 9:05 AM
> > > > > To: Cisco certification
> > > > > Subject: OT-Partner Certification
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Friends,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry for an OT-It will be very kind of you
> > > Gurus to
> > > > > let me know about the
> > > > > Cisco Partners eligibilty .Can they put thier
> > > Single
> > > > > Employee having
> > > > > multiple certification in the different roles
> > > asked
> > > > > by cisco to satisfy some
> > > > > partner level like silver or Gold.
> > > > >
> > > > > For example for Silver Partnership A company
> > > need 1
> > > > > CCNA,CCDA,CCNP,CCVP,CCIE.
> > > > >
> > > > > So if the Company's sinigle Employee is
> > holding
> > > all
> > > > > this certificates is he
> > > > > qualified to be placed as an individual for
> > each
> > > of
> > > > > this cerfiticates?
> > > > >
> > > > > Need your insight on this matter.
> > > > >
> > > > > regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Anis Faruqui...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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-- Best Regards! Digital, CCIE# to be assigned by Cisco when it collects enough $$ out of me! :p
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