From: Ronnie Angello (ronnie.angello@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Apr 09 2007 - 11:49:22 ART
Bounced posts? Maybe max character limit exceeded???
On 4/8/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Let's see if this one makes the list.
>
>
> Now for everone who is not paying attention: This is
> a simple answer to a simple question.
>
> No religious battles between vendors is intended and
> if so, I can be unicasted by them as well as by
> regular users.
>
> And FYI - I am still booking classes with other
> vendors as well - so before you go thinking that I've
> only tasted a few cuisines and am hooked.
>
>
> There are several more vendors on my list to either
> visit or re-visit.
>
> And FYI - I'm thinking of starting my own CCIE List
> since it seems my posts keep getting banned if I use
> certain names.
>
> What is korea and this list have in common anyway?
>
>
> Does anyone else get bounces with kornet most every
> time you post or is it just when there is a nobody in
> the account?
>
> Remember - I post on several corners of the net - so
> if you find it odd that I did not seem to to respond,
> I probably did... You just didn't get it.
>
>
>
> --- Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I know his next classes appear to be booked in May,
> there are some extra weeks in the in the three week
> version, but the classes are pretty much booked.
>
> For some reason the list does not seem to like him
> very much.
>
> If you want more info unicast me.
>
>
> Bascially there are several things he does that not
> every does either enough of from what I have seen so
> far, or they may only mention some of these things
> and not cover them to the degree of their relative
> worth to a passing lab candidate.
>
> 1. The Discovery Phase - While others go to some
> details to explain this phase, he ensures that this
> phase is among the most impoertant that you learn
> and his labs are focused on ensuring you learn how to
> discover your pod, document it thoroughly yet
> quickly (45 min goal), and that you can safely rely on
> your findings or you have a serious round of questions
> for the proctor.
>
> - This is important - if you screw up interface
> types or subnet masks - you may have problems you do
> not need later in the exam. If you survive, these
> are strengths for you and not weaknesses.
>
> 2. BB Connectivity - Again others may actually give
> you these in your labs - He makes no such assumption
> and he ensures you are very experienced at this
> CRITICAL task and that you learn to do it early NOT
> later and he explains to you why it IS important to
> do so.
>
> - I recall from other Bootcamps being told to expect
> the unexpected when it comes to the BB and some labs
> were tricky. None were like HIS, his reminded me
> very much of the same dilemmas I had while I sat both
> of my labs. He brought it home and his simple yet
> effective techniques may have helped me overcome a
> hurdle that would otherwise cost me a few more lab
> attempts.
>
> - This is major for anyone who thought they had a
> "Golden Moment" inside their pod, but still had a
> problem with the BB.
>
> - Pass or Fail - Right here, Right now.
>
> 3. If you ever thought you knew how to subnet, he
> will challenge you here and like none I have seen yet.
> Others cover it, he will challenge you to ensure you
> know it, remember he expects you to do it with your
> eyes closed and he means it. In other classes it is
> assumed of the student - he makes no assumptions
> whatsoever. You either can or you cannot and if you
> better know how to come up with the least number of
> statement for any ACLs. Math will become a true and
> solid strength. Again he has his techniques and
> they are effective.
>
> - Let's see - if you have to filter in the lab or
> summarize in the lab and fail to do so, you may lose
> points and you may just fail. Can I be more clear
> of the importance of these tasks? If I cannot, then I
> assure you he can.
>
> - Any type of ACL is fair game, AND/XOR, Even/Odd,
> and anything in between - just as in the lab it MIGHT
> be. Some classes I have attended stress other topics,
> not that he does not, but he knows people are scared
> of MATH and he removes this fear through solid
> techniques and solid experience, each and every day.
>
> 4. There have been many questions on this list about
> how to approach the proctor, how to word questions,
> and how many questions to ask, etc. Others have
> told me to ensure I bring my lab book up with me, make
> no assumptions, bring my lawyer, and to ask
> intelligent questions. This is simply not enough and
> not near enough detail on what to ask, why, and how.
>
> - He has been from my experience thus far, the most
> detailed person on how to attain this MOST valuable
> skill - one of the three MOST valuable resources we
> all have during a lab is the PROCTOR, yet in two lab
> attempts and watching about 20-25 lab candidates
> take the damned thing very few seemed to ask any
> questions at all, they sat in the lab and just drowned
> and some, like me thought they pretty much had and
> might have asked a couple of questions but not enough,
> and not the right ones anyway.
>
> - I may be wrong here as some people (other
> instructors) have told me quite plainly that I have
> not attended their own classes, not to assume that
> this and other things are not covered to this
> detail; however, I have everyone's products in one
> iteration or another, even the European and
> Asian/Indian offerings and I can assure you all - I
> HAVE NOT SEEN IT YET - This is why I was quite amazed.
>
> - When I first spoke to one student about his 3-week
> experience, my eyes were WIDE OPEN. So many things
> were just made clear. When I sat my own class (the
> experience lessened by my own sickness,
> unfortunately), I saw so many things from the lab
> that were so clear and unmistakable, it was like OMG -
> not necessarily NDA violations as much as TRUTHS and
> things I had simply assumed. Now this is not a wake
> up call someone who has been to say 6-8 weeks of
> PAID BOOTCAMPS ought to be having on just DAY-1 of
> anyone's classes. These are things that just were not
> made clear by any other classes I had been to yet, and
> some were alluded to or suggested, but none had been
> so abrupt and genuinely "honest" in the approach to
> making the point.
>
> - This is UNIQUE - if I told you more he would kill
> me. If you've been to the rest and you still have
> not passed, then you may need to make a trip to visit
> any of the instructors who teaches their art. Cause
> while you may find it elsewhere, I would NOT bet on
> it.
>
> 5. The UNIVERCD - Another of the three most useful
> tools in the Lab, others stress it. With him, you
> cannot complete his labs w/o it. Simple as that.
> You will be forced to learn it, use it, love it, know
> it, and you will leave with a firm and confident
> ability to simply find anything and find it quickly as
> a result of his techniques. Again, others stress it
> true, but none of the materials that I have yet to
> see or the classes made me dig like he did, and maybe
> this is my fault for "cheating sometimes and using an
> AK".
>
>
> - BTW - He will not give ANY AK till the end of the
> class, he keeps you on your toes and while I solidly
> disagreed with this the entire time, thinking I
> could be learning from it, by the end of the week, I
> understood why he did not give us immediate
> gratification and since I actually had to LEARN each
> topic without the benefit of knowing how it was
> solved on the last lab, I had to LEARN why on the fly
> - again hello proctor and hello UNIVERCD.
>
> 6. Challenge - No other instructor actually watched
> my every keystroke, no other instructor actually asked
> me why - mostly each and every time. I could argue
> that I was trying to take a "MOCK LAB" but he is not
> about scores and about EGO, he is about solid learning
> and about ensuring his students get their digits. I
> had a hard time with this at first and I learned to
> bite my tongue and to use the proctor and the
> UNIVERCD.
>
> - Seriously, the man WILL ask you WHY you need the
> question mark as you type and you better have an
> answer.
>
> - He is not sleeping during class, he is not doing
> anything else but using all of his skills to ensure
> that you learn how to apply yours. Again, we have
> all been to classes and we love our CORE-4, but unless
> someone pleasantly surprises me, I think I can say
> that I got more 1-on-1 attention in his class than
> all of the other 6-8 weeks combined from ALL the
> other classes and instructors. And I was sick 1/2 of
> the time.
>
> - This level of quality-assurance and of attention
> is hard to find - very hard to find - but perhaps it
> is our fault as consumers for not demanding it.
>
> - In some classes I attended, I felt like either the
> best prepped students got the grease, or those who
> were terribly and visibly lost got the grease, and
> us in between were mostly left to our own devices - I
> did not feel like this with him. He gave each student
> attention and feedback on a 1-on-1 basis. And I
> understand he personally mentors each of his
> instructors to do the same (they are also ALL former
> students with no exception).
>
> Overall the rest of the technical tips, tricks,
> topics etc. are more or less what you will see in
> other labs, no doubt, but the way you feel after you
> leave him is quite different and quite extraordinary.
> I've felt better prepped after each of my classes, no
> doubt, but I can honestly say, that even if I were
> going to start teaching a class any CCIE-level class,
> I have learned a lot from him, that I simple DID NOT
> learn anywhere else. He has one goal: TO EMPOWER YOU
> TO PASS THE LAB.
>
> Others have lists - and some people on the list just
> simply bought the materials and they passed the lab
> eventually. However - some of those even went to HIM
> before passing the Lab.
>
> I do not in all my years reading this list and
> scouring the Internet as few others may have done,
> have ever heard of anyone having to go to another
> trainer to PASS THE LAB after taking a H-Camp.
>
> Anyone know different?
>
> Now I may be the sole exception to this rule, but
> again, I have more objectives than simply passing a
> certification exam and even the CCIE is simply an
> exam for me.
>
> So their you have it.
>
> I have told you some of the deep dark secrets of his
> and some of the things I think are important.
>
> I might add he seems to customize a bit as he goes
> just to personalize the experience, maybe to help
> protect his copyrights - must be effective, when is
> the last time anyone saw a PDF of a Lab of his laying
> around on a pubstro, newsgroup, or torrent?
>
> Believe it or not he is modest at least as much as
> some of my other favorite instructors and he is
> definately as sincere.
>
> I still do not quite understand the animosity others
> seem to have for him on this list.
>
> He's apparently not even a member here.
>
> Go figure.
>
> Jealousy? Competition? Mabye because he's been at
> it longer than most others here, even most of our
> favorites?
>
>
> The name is banned and any message with it will not
> post of GS.
>
> Again unicast me for details.
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- "A.G. Ananth Sarma (GMail)"
> > <ananth.sarma@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Darby,
> > >
> > > This is very good sense of humor.
> > >
> > > By the way, any update on H class?
> > >
> > > ( I am serious and if you do not want to tell
> > > everybody, you may unicast
> > > me!)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Ananth
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/6/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Actually,
> > > >
> > > > Just register a different CCO number a few times
> > > under
> > > > a few names and take the lab several times and
> > > pass at
> > > > least 4 times.
> > > >
> > > > You cannot use your SSN in this case.
> > > >
> > > > (And rememeber just because personality #1 can
> > > pass
> > > > the RS in one take, does not mean the three
> > rocks
> > > can,
> > > > they may require a few shots).
> > > >
> > > > Do the same thing for the CCNP - again 4
> > different
> > > > aliases, 4 diff CSCO Numbers, and 4 CCO
> > Accounts.
> > > >
> > > > Do the same thing for the CCNA/CCDA level
> > > >
> > > > Do the same thing for the Sales Certs.
> > > >
> > > > Let's see - you have 16 split personalities and
> > > can
> > > > now fill the 16 roles required for Gold Level
> > > > Partnership.
> > > >
> > > > The problem comes when you have to fill out 16
> > > income
> > > > tax returns and when you have to be in 16
> > > locations.
> > > >
> > > > Of course you could probable leagally marry 8 of
> > > your
> > > > personalities to the other 8... So your income
> > > tax
> > > > filing problem are sortof 1/2 of what they were.
> > > >
> > > > And you could always assign teams to projects
> > > instead
> > > > of splitting them up.
> > > >
> > > > Now if you provide remote services and learn to
> > > script
> > > > very well and multi-task at least moderately
> > > well...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Just remember to bill for each of your split
> > > > personalities, since they gotta be legit
> > > employees.
> > > >
> > > > And don't forget each personality needs a
> > personal
> > > > cell, a personal email, a bio on the website,
> > and
> > > lest
> > > > we forget a personal VPN account. Now I have
> > seen
> > > a
> > > > co-worker use VM's to use multiple VPN Clients
> > on
> > > one
> > > > machine to simoultaneously VPN to accounts...
> > > >
> > > > So tell me, I wonder what happens if a person
> > > actually
> > > > used this technique to pay federal taxes, I mean
> > > take
> > > > one job under SSN #1 and another job under SSN
> > #2,
> > > > etc. A new tax loophole...?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Whew!
> > > >
> > > > Bizarro World...
> > > >
> > > > The things some people won't do to become a
> > > one-man
> > > > Cisco Gold Partner in this day and age.
> > > >
> > > > OK - Guys back the CatOS to IOS Conversion that
> > > didn't
> > > > quite happent the way I expected last night.
> > > >
> > > > Later...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BTW - This was a bit of joke... Even if someone
> > > does
> > > > actually do it at some point.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > No, there must be multiple people in different
> > > > > roles. Otherwise, strange
> > > > > folk like me could be Gold Partners all by
> > > > > themselves. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > The partner requirements pages on CCO should
> > > spell
> > > > > all this out. Otherwise
> > > > > your CAM will be able to give you the
> > > requirements.
> > > > >
> > > > > HTH,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott Morris, CCIE4
> > > (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> > > > > Provider) #4713, JNCIE
> > > > > #153, CISSP, et al.
> > > > > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> > > > > IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development
> > > > > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> > > > > smorris@ipexpert.com
> > > > > http://www.ipexpert.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Anis
> > > > > Faruqui
> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 9:05 AM
> > > > > To: Cisco certification
> > > > > Subject: OT-Partner Certification
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Friends,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry for an OT-It will be very kind of you
> > > Gurus to
> > > > > let me know about the
> > > > > Cisco Partners eligibilty .Can they put thier
> > > Single
> > > > > Employee having
> > > > > multiple certification in the different roles
> > > asked
> > > > > by cisco to satisfy some
> > > > > partner level like silver or Gold.
> > > > >
> > > > > For example for Silver Partnership A company
> > > need 1
> > > > > CCNA,CCDA,CCNP,CCVP,CCIE.
> > > > >
> > > > > So if the Company's sinigle Employee is
> > holding
> > > all
> > > > > this certificates is he
> > > > > qualified to be placed as an individual for
> > each
> > > of
> > > > > this cerfiticates?
> > > > >
> > > > > Need your insight on this matter.
> > > > >
> > > > > regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Anis Faruqui...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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