From: jslauer@hotmail.com
Date: Thu Jun 21 2007 - 18:58:20 ART
Nothing a CCIE cant pick up about the 6500 in a week or so of hard studying.
I didn't know jack about the 6500 Series when I first saw them, I was a CCIE
and I managed quite nicely. I don't think this argument holds water.
Resetting modules and the command for doing them is the same across the
chassis based devices as are many commands.
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Plank" <Jason_Plank@condenast.com>
To: "Douglas M Todd, Jr" <dtodd@PARTNERS.ORG>; "serhat aslan"
<serhataslan22@yahoo.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
> Give me a break. I see and read from CCIE's that get thrown in a
> production
> environment and are expected to understand the 6500 platform and they
> simply
> do not. They do not understand BASIC things like resetting modules. To me
> if
> you are going to call someone an expert they should have some clue about
> your top product.
>
>
>
>
> On 6/21/07 12:23 PM, "Douglas M Todd, Jr" <dtodd@PARTNERS.ORG> wrote:
>
>> Well -
>>
>> Does not matter whether the platform is a 6500 or a 3500 or a 2900. The
>> thing that matters is that you understand the concepts and technology.
>> Sure there are big differences between the platforms, but what does it
>> matter? If the test is standardized so it will support 4-5 modules then
>> you just need to know the specifics on those modules. The bigger issue
>> is what they support for technology and settings which differ between
>> the modules.
>>
>> Personally, the 6500 is a fine box and just as understandable as a 3500.
>> A router is a router and a switch is a switch. STP works the same on
>> both boxes, ospf/eigrp/rip the same, nat, access-lists etc. Sure there
>> may be some different options available, but the core technologies are
>> the same on either platform.
>>
>> Debugging would be more problematic on a 6500 since a lot of information
>> is not seen due to the hardware platform architecture.
>>
>> If you understand the hardcore topics then the 6500 is just another box,
>> more expensive, but a box none the less.
>>
>> Personally, I would welcome the 6500 on the lab exam since this is what
>> you will find in a lot of corporations. However, it really does not
>> matter nor make sense to have this box on the lab exam. I would doubt
>> they would put it on the exam when other boxes perform the needed
>> functionality, are at a fraction of the price, have a smaller footprint.
>>
>> The need is the technology not necessarily the platform.
>>
>> DMT
>>
>>
>>
>> serhat aslan wrote:
>>> Especially I don't want to see 6500 at R&S.
>>> 6500 series more than a modular switch (as well as 76xx) it is an
>>> unique
>>> platform(!). And has got many different type of modules then the other
>>> competitors can't do (ACE, CSS, IPS, VPN, NAM, etc...). And all these
>>> modules are result of different demands. For instance,
>>> IPS->CCIE-Security,
>>> CSS-Storage(or I thought). By the way some them are stand on the
>>> cutting-edge.
>>> R&S-lab is testing the protocols behaviors and features. Although
>>> design
>>> effected the nature of the routing/problem, R&S-lab has no worries on
>>> the
>>> design concepts(?) with integrating advanced security, L5 switching,
>>> etc.. .
>>> My opinion is 6500 must address at the CCIE-Architecture
>>> Pls. don't mix the architecture base Capabilities + Design concepts vs
>>> Protocol type problems. If The main problem is to interact the real
>>> life
>>> situations, more effective method is setting up the mixed heterogeneous
>>> network. If they could use F5,Checkpoint,Nortel,Alcatel,Juniper, 3-party
>>> equipments, it seems reasonable to me interact the real real-life
>>> problems.
>>> As the last point, there are a lot of best practices published at
>>> networker
>>> series. AFAIK, at least for the effective Cat6500 test we have to use
>>> min. 2
>>> of them and normally 4.
>>>
>>> Serhat Aslan
>>>
>>>
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