From: Jason Plank (Jason_Plank@condenast.com)
Date: Fri Jun 22 2007 - 14:46:13 ART
*golf clap*
On 6/22/07 1:12 PM, "Ryan" <ryan95842@gmail.com> wrote:
> 65xx/76xx
>
> It's a freaking router people!!! (ok, Multi-layer switch)...what's the big
> deal???
>
> Why is everyone so scared and intimidated of the thing? I seriously don't
> get it...
>
> Maybe someone could explain why it's so "hard" to use one...I've been using
> them for over 6 years...so what. Nothing on the 6509 I've done has required
> any kind of magical super talent/knowledge.
>
> It's just another piece of hardware folks...big whoop.
>
>
> -Ryan
>
>
>
>
> On 6/22/07, Joe Mama <jsmith1234550@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> One more thing....
>>
>> Every large company will buy a 6500 and Cisco really doesn't need to
>> market this platform all that much as the 3560. Most companies I've
>> worked for use them for Access, Dsitribution, Core, etc. There really
>> is no competiton; a 6500 is awesome!
>>
>> If every CCIE knows the 3560, then, when they go to make a choice for
>> a small site, etc/ they will know all of the features and choose the
>> trusty switch that got them their ccie......you see what i mean? The
>> CCIE is a good way for Cisco to market their newer products that are
>> not that well klnown but are great for a small site. Cisco's main
>> competion is in this area. In some of our very small sites, we run
>> 2811's / 3560's / 3845's and they are fantastic and extremely powerful
>> (in RAM and feature set capability, etc..) and I certainly am very
>> comfortable with them due to my studies, etc. and would not even
>> propose another type of network device (from another company) because
>> I am so confident in their abilities.
>>
>> The 3560 and 3845 platforms are great! Of course, for any decent size
>> campus, only 65xx-E with SUP720x will do, but Cisco really doesn't
>> need to push this. Also, as was mentioned, having 4 6500's in a
>> regualr R&S lab would limit the number of people going for CCIes which
>> would not be good for Cisco......
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Andre
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On 6/22/07, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> Yeah,
>>>
>>> In some situations a CCIE is a metric of what you should be *capable*
>> of,
>>> not necessarily what you can *do* straight off the bat.
>>>
>>> Nobody knows everything. The CCIE provides as much as is reasonable on
>> the
>>> 'stuff to learn' and 'stuff to do' front. How far a candidate chooses to
>>> take that is a variable.
>>>
>>> For example the recommended reading list does covers a lot of things
>> that
>>> are not tested in the lab but are still potentially very useful to know.
>>>
>>> I think it's very useful for a CCIE to have at least a handle on
>> switching
>>> platforms that are not tested but if you check the recommended reading
>>> list..its there in Kennedy Clark and has been for 8 years..
>>>
>>> http://www.ciscopress.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=1578700949&rl=1
>>>
>>> So you can certainly get some knowhow there during the course of your
>> CCIE
>>> studies.
>>>
>>> In the lab today, ISDN etc is off. That doesn't mean we won't ever find
>> ISDN
>>> out there or DLSW+ or connections to DEC/VAX someplace.
>>>
>>> But whatever you come up against in the world of work I would say having
>> a
>>> CCIE probably demonstrates to an employer that you are quite capable of
>>> figuring more than a few things out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
>>> To: "'Jason Plank'" <Jason_Plank@condenast.com>; "'Serdar Kut'"
>>> <kutserdar@gmail.com>; "'Narbik Kocharians'" <narbikk@gmail.com>
>>> Cc: "'Mike Kraus (mikraus)'" <mikraus@cisco.com>; "'Eric Dobyns'"
>>> <eric_dobyns@yahoo.com>; "'Digital Yemeni'" <digital.yemeni@gmail.com>;
>>> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 4:29 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>>>
>>>
>>>> What are you looking for the CCIE to do for you? If you are telling
>> me
>>>> that
>>>> a person who has his/her CCIE cannot reasonably sit down and FIGURE
>> OUT
>>>> the
>>>> 6500 or new things, then I'd say that person didn't study enough for
>> their
>>>> exam and got pretty damned lucky.
>>>>
>>>> Nobody knows everything. And you can't design a test around
>> everything.
>>>> While marketing people would love you for saying it's their top
>> product, I
>>>> would say that certainly has to do with what market/application you
>> are
>>>> playing in. If it's all you see, I'm happy for you, but it's not all
>>>> that's
>>>> out there!
>>>>
>>>> So how many pieces of equipment would you like to see show up in the
>> CCIE
>>>> lab?
>>>>
>>>> Not having touched and knowing nothing are two completely different
>>>> concepts. There are many blades on a 6500 I haven't touched before,
>> but
>>>> I'd
>>>> like to think I could figure them out if needed! THAT is being a
>> CCIE.
>>>> Not
>>>> necessarily touching anything and everything.
>>>>
>>>> Relax and focus on the important things.
>>>>
>>>> Should you need to renew/retake your drivers license if you decide you
>>>> want
>>>> an SUV instead of a car, or a hybrid instead of a "regular" car? Or a
>>>> pickup truck?
>>>>
>>>> I mean... They ARE different.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>> JNCIE
>>>> #153, CISSP, et al.
>>>> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
>>>> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
>>>> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
>>>>
>>>> A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
>>>>
>>>> smorris@ipexpert.com
>>>>
>>>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
>>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>>>> http://www.ipexpert.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Jason Plank [mailto:Jason_Plank@condenast.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:33 PM
>>>> To: Scott Morris; 'Serdar Kut'; 'Narbik Kocharians'
>>>> Cc: 'Mike Kraus (mikraus)'; 'Eric Dobyns'; 'Digital Yemeni';
>>>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>>>>
>>>> So you think it helps the value of the CCIE that it can produce a CCIE
>>>> that
>>>> knows NOTHING about a 6500? What is cisco's top product? What are you
>>>> considered if you are a CCIE. Doesn't mesh in my mind.
>>>>
>>>> Totally disagree.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/21/07 1:38 PM, "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Should it matter?
>>>>>
>>>>> The CCIE tests your knowledge of technologies, not product.
>>>>>
>>>>> The stuff you can do with a 6500 at a basic switching technology
>> level
>>>>> isn't really any different than the switches we currently have. If
>> we
>>>>> start taking service modules, that's different, but that's a whole
>> new
>>>>> technology base.
>>>>>
>>>>> *shrug* HUGE expense difference not only for them to rollout, but
>>>>> foreveryone to study!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>>>>> JNCIE #153, CISSP, et al.
>>>>> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
>>>>> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
>>>>>
>>>>> A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
>>>>>
>>>>> smorris@ipexpert.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
>>>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>>>>> http://www.ipexpert.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Serdar Kut
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:55 AM
>>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>>>>> Cc: Mike Kraus (mikraus); Eric Dobyns; Digital Yemeni;
>>>>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>>>>>
>>>>> I actually agree with Narbik..It is a big shame not to be aware of
>>>>> 6500 and 4500 chasis and config tricks for a CCIE I think. And also,
>>>>> as a CCIE, most of time I deal with big chasis, not much with 3560s
>> or
>>>> less.
>>>>> It should be good I think
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Serdar Kut
>>>>> CCIE#18130
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/20/07, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually i hope they do that, because that would be the closest
>> thing
>>>>>> to the real world. No matter where you go these days, you see at
>>>>>> least one 6500 series up and running. I think it would benefit the
>>>> program.
>>>>>> You may see a 3560 here and there, but you will definitely see a lot
>>>>>> of firms having 6500 series. To be honest i typically see a mixture
>>>>>> of 4000/4500 and a 6500 in a collapsed core design.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/19/07, Mike Kraus (mikraus) <mikraus@cisco.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not sure of the point of that in the R&S lab.... Really don't see
>>>>>>> them starting to test on the service modules on the 6500 in the
>> R&S.
>>>>>>> And, in many cases the 3560 has greater feature velocity. So, it
>>>>>>> would cost the CCIE program more money, a more rack space, but
>>>>>>> doesn't really give them many more test topics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Eric Dobyns
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:30 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'Digital Yemeni'; 'Narbik Kocharians'
>>>>>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe you have a 3550 and 3 3650 all running L3, which
>> basically
>>>>>>> means you've got 13 routers to deal with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Digital Yemeni
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:49 PM
>>>>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>>>>>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> nope nope! Cisco has recently faced some severe budget limitations
>>>>>>> and brought back the 2500s and L2 1900 switches!! :p
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad, since you're a Cisco Sponsored Organization, the confirmation
>>>>>>> (not the
>>>>>>> question!) should come from you isn't it? ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/20/07, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I heard 85xx and 12xxx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/19/07, Brad Ellis <brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyone else hear this?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Brad Ellis
>>>>>>>>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>>>>>>>> CCSI#30482
>>>>>>>>> Network Learning Inc - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO) YES!
>>>>>>>>> We take Cisco Learning credits!
>>>>>>>>> brad@ccbootcamp.com
>>>>>>>>> http://www.ccbootcamp.com (Cisco Training and Advanced Technology
>>>>>>>>> Rental
>>>>>>>>> Racks)
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>>>>>>> CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>>>>>>> CCSI# 30832
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>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>> Digital, CCIE# to be assigned by Cisco when it collects enough $$
>>>>>>> out of me!
>>>>>>> :p
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>>>>> CCSI# 30832
>>>>>>
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