From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Thu Jul 19 2007 - 05:48:56 ART
What about the CCIE ISP Dial guys? I understand they recertify by doing the
SP written these days? How much R/S stuff was covered in CCIE ISP Dial?
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
To: "'Edison Ortiz'" <edisonmortiz@gmail.com>; "'Colin McNamara'"
<colin@2cups.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: Cisco Certified Internetwork Architect ?
> That, and there are always things that a person may not know/remember
> whether they are CCIE or not! I mean, Appletalk was on my lab, but don't
> expect me to remember all that much about it off the top of my head these
> days! :)
>
> Scott
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Edison Ortiz
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:52 AM
> To: 'Colin McNamara'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Cisco Certified Internetwork Architect ?
>
> You will find 'paper <insert professional certification>' in all aspects
> of
> life.
> A CCIE cert will most likely get you the interview, but you have to show
> what you know on a daily basis. The challenge does not end once you pass
> the
> Lab.
>
>
> After the Lab, you are challenged everyday *and* that's good because if
> you
> aren't challenged - you will forget within months time.
>
>
> Edison Ortiz
> Routing and Switching, CCIE # 17943
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Colin McNamara
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:24 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Cisco Certified Internetwork Architect ?
>
> Well, none of the people I work with are lazy. But I have seen paper
> CCIE's
> out there. I couple years ago I caught one in an interview. He couldn't
> demonstrate basic understanding of network protocols.
>
> Weird thing is, his # checked out as valid. I guess he is proof of those
> rumors that you can buy labs in the far east. It is pretty sad actually.
>
> --
> Colin McNamara
> (858)208-8105
> CCIE #18233
> "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little
> longer"
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2007-07-18 at 07:44 -0700, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>>
>>
>> Don't get me wrong i totally agree with you, but its just that i find
>> it hard to believe that there are paper CCIEs. May be there are, who
>> knows?
>>
>> But remember that some people have the wrong attitude and/or are very
>> lazy and some are very conservative, some people don't know what the
>> behavior of a certain configuration is going to be and how it would
>> affect things.
>>
>> He could be having a bad day, but his ability or inability should not
>> be a reflection of others.
>>
>> I know this other gentleman that has two CCIEs but this person is
>> extremely lazy and likes to be given a task and the configuration
>> commands so he can just enter the commands. The question is "Does he
>> know his stuff?" YES but he has a bad attitude and extremely lazy.
>> just my 2 cents.
>>
>>
>> On 7/18/07, Mohamed, Liban [NTK] <Liban.Mohamed@sprint.com> wrote:
>> Nabrik,
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't remember if he had SP or RS, but one could hope, once
>> you get CCIE, you should @least have the ability to look
>> through a feature via CCO, and read about it. So let's assume
>> you pass your RS, and you take consulting gig that require
>> MPLS, should one say (oohh I have RS, I can't configure MPLS)
>> or you take the task and read the technology and implement,
>> It's like when someone finishes School, all that means is you
>> can know read and do your own research J
>>
>>
>>
>> Liban Mohamed
>>
>> NTAC-IP
>>
>> Sprint/Nextel
>>
>> www.sprint.net
>>
>> liban.mohamed@sprint.com
>>
>> (W) 678-291-3438
>>
>> (PCS) 404-441-9701
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Narbik Kocharians [mailto:narbikk@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:44 AM
>> To: Mohamed, Liban [NTK]
>> Cc: Colin McNamara; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Cisco Certified Internetwork Architect ?
>>
>>
>> Was this guy that couldnt configure Soo for EIgrp an SP CCIE?
>>
>> On 7/17/07, Mohamed, Liban [NTK] <Liban.Mohamed@sprint.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Man don't remind me paper CCIE, when I see them it really
>> discourage me to get my #. When CCIE can't configure soO for
>> EIGRP, then you have to worry. But I really think multiple
>> CCIE can help you consulting position, which will attract the
>> client, Maybe I will change my thinking once I get my 1st
>> IE# :)
>>
>>
>> Liban Mohamed
>> NTAC-IP
>> Sprint/Nextel
>> www.sprint.net
>> liban.mohamed@sprint.com
>> (W) 678-291-3438
>> (PCS) 404-441-9701
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf Of Colin McNamara
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 11:18 PM
>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: Cisco Certified Internetwork Architect ?
>>
>> Well, let me just say that I am the only CCIE on my team with
>> a Single
>> CCIE. All the other CCIE's have 2 - 5. If I wasn't an
>> internal referral
>> I would not have even been on the radar for a job here.
>>
>> I think back to 2000 or so, where if you had you # you could
>> get a job
>> practically anywhere. Now there are alot more CCIE's in the
>> world, along
>> with a few labrats / paper CCIE's (trust me.. I have seen
>> them). Now the
>> ticket anywhere has been bumped up a notch to multiple
>> CCIE's.
>>
>> --
>> Colin McNamara
>> (858)208-8105
>> CCIE #18233
>> "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a
>> little
>> longer"
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 21:45 -0400, E.A. McCaleb wrote:
>> > Even if you have multple certs (CCIE's) Im pretty sure it
>> doesn't help in
>> > regards to partnership. In other words, if you need four
>> CCIE's for gold
>> > partnership one quad IE will not do. It has to be four
>> individuals with a
>> > CCIE certification.
>> >
>> > EM
>> >
>> >
>> > On 7/17/07, Colin McNamara <colin@2cups.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Having multiple certs is also huge if you are in the
>> Partner world.
>> > > It enhances your standing in the channel, and allows you
>> as an SE to
>> > > look better on paper to the customer.
>> > >
>> > > --Colin
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 18:58 -0500, Mohamed, Liban [NTK]
>> wrote:
>> > > > trible CCIE works well if you teaching, bu
>> > >
>> > >
>>
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>> CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>> CCSI# 30832
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>>
>>
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>> CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>> CCSI# 30832
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