From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Tue Aug 07 2007 - 15:59:59 ART
Very true. Bouncing into a data centre not knowing your way around
Centillion switches might be a handicap if they are there and other things
of that ilk. Knowing your way around more than one vendor can be really
helpful. Many companies have a mixture of things.
I met someone who literally raved about Enterasys stuff once and had a
downer on Cisco gear and Cisco generally.
Mind you they did work for an Enterasys reseller I believe. Go figure.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
To: "'darth router'" <darklordrouter@gmail.com>; "'Group study'"
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 6:44 PM
Subject: RE: Best paying CCIE skillset, job opportunities, etc...
> Different self-proclaimed "pros" in the industry will have very different
> opinions about things all the time.
>
> Most of that depends on where your experience and comfort level lies. It
> also depends on what level of security/implementation you need to do. I
> know many people who swear by SonicWall equipment. Personally I don't
> care
> for them, but I'm free to admit that some of that is because of lack of
> experience with them. Other parts are simply their feature sets (or lack
> thereof) based on what my particular needs or client's needs are.
>
> For many different niches, Cisco's security products are excellent fits.
> There are a lot of things covering a lot of different areas. And many of
> them fit together pretty well. Perhaps experience level, but also knowing
> what my clients need (or can afford!).
>
> On the other hand, I'm a huge fan of Netscreen (Juniper) for the SSL-VPNs.
> Cisco is getting better, but not quite fast enough for my liking. I'm
> sure
> down the road, that will change and they will be the leader. Hence the
> beauty of competition!
>
> Know your clients... Know more than one vendor and how they fit with your
> clients.
>
> As for voice versus security, that simply depends on where you are located
> and what interests you. They're both very popular, and very helpful to
> have. If you are going into consulting, you can never know too much about
> too many products/vendors. If you only sell or work on one solution,
> you're
> not a true consultant. You're just a well-educated extension of the
> company's sales force. :)
>
> Just my sarcastic opinion.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> darth router
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 12:12 PM
> To: Group study
> Subject: Best paying CCIE skillset, job opportunities, etc...
>
> I am sure this may have been beaten do death, but what is the best
> skillset
> for opportunity? Voice, security, SP, R/S, etc... ? I know voice has just
> been blowing up like crazy since 2k, but will it fizzle out? Will setting
> up
> call manager eventually become part of the defacto standard netacad
> curriculum? How does cisco security compare in the market to voice? It
> seems
> like pros are saying that cisco security is a bit of a turd and only
> succeeds because of ciscos aggressive marketing. Is there truth to this?
> Plus there are all these smaller up and comers like shortel tearing into
> markets that cannot afford cisco.
>
> I am nearly done with R/S. Took the lab once, barely failed because of
> nerves and some stupid mistakes, but I am definitely ready regardless, and
> plan to pass. But what is next? I just don't feel like R/S is a good
> enough
> skill set. I wanted to use it as a base, as everything runs on
> routing/switching. I felt the skillset transfered into other vendors
> products, where the other tracks kinda pigeon hole you into cisco
> proprietary. I did not want to be one of these security CCIEs that I hear
> everyone joking about that cannot figure out simple switching. I
> absolutely
> love learning, and love what the CCIE path has taught me so far (that I
> know
> nothing!), but I want to go in the direction that gets me the best
> opportunities. I have been toying with maybe doing Cisco security and
> learning checkpoint along the way, and then I get all excited about MPLS,
> and think the SP track would be great. I definitely want to have 2 CCIEs
> at
> least. Some pros and cons would be great.
>
> DR
>
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