From: Scott Vermillion (scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com)
Date: Sat Aug 18 2007 - 15:35:46 ART
LOL Joseph, I clearly no-brained that one! Don't know how I missed it
but I did!? Anyway, the main question remains: how can you remotely
interact w/ a MAC once you have IP connectivity? Can you remotely
interact w/ a MAC fr a Windows box? With RD, it's from a Windows machine
to a Windows machine...
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [FWD: RE: IE Workbook Lab Topologies]
From: "Joseph Saad" <joseph.s.saad@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, August 18, 2007 11:26 am
To: "'Scott Vermillion'" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>, "'Cisco
certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html
Communications
Built-in 10/100/1000BASE-T Gigabit Ethernet (RJ-45 connector)
Built-in 54-Mbps AirPort Extreme wireless networking (based on
802.11g
standard)3
Built-in Bluetooth 2.0 + Enhanced Data Rate (EDR) up to 3 Mbps
Optional external Apple USB Modem
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
Scott Vermillion
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 10:12 PM
To: Cisco certification
Subject: RE: [FWD: RE: IE Workbook Lab Topologies]
Interest is definitely building Brian, I have been on Apple's website
for
the past hour (and I thought I'd NEVER buy a MAC, LOL). What I'd like
to
know is whether or not there's any kind of Remote Desktop equivalent?
I
don't want to buy a monitor, mouse, keyboard, etc for this machine;
I'd
like to put it in a closet with my switches and just somehow remotely
interact with it. Doesn't look like the mini has built-in WiFi, but
I'm
guessing any old USB device will do. So, once I've got IP
connectivity,
how can I remotely interact with such a machine?
BTW, I couldn't help but notice the MAC Pro!! Dual Quad-core procs w/
up
to 16 MB RAM??!! Oh man, you could directly contact alien lifeforms
and
break their encryption algorithms with that baby!
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [FWD: RE: IE Workbook Lab Topologies]
From: "Brian Dennis" <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
Date: Sat, August 18, 2007 10:46 am
To: "ISolveSystems" <support@isolvesystems.com>, "Scott Vermillion"
<scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>, "Cisco certification"
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
It can easily support that. The new Mac Mini's have a dual core Intel
CPU
for only about $600. The memory upgrade to 2 gig is about $150 (3rd
party). The fact that Mac OS X is basically BSD underneath (same
"base"
OS as Juniper - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD#Derivatives) it
makes
Mac OS X a powerful platform for dynamips. Another benefit of using
the
Mac Mini is that it's very compact and extremely quiet.
If we can get enough interest here I'll write up a detailed "how to".
Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
Internetwork Expert, Inc.
http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
Toll Free: 877-224-8987
Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
>----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: [FWD: RE: IE Workbook Lab Topologies]
Date: Sat, August 18, 2007 6:34
From: "ISolveSystems" <support@isolvesystems.com>
> Hi Brian,
> Can a Mac mini be able to boot all 6 routers, 4 switches, and 3 BB?
>
> Thanks.
>
> On 8/17/07, Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> >
> > You can just get a USB hub and a bunch of USB to Ethernet
adapters. USB
> > to Ethernet adapters are usually really cheap. One of my Mac OS X
servers
> > has about 10 USB to Ethernet adapters used for various processes
> > (dynamips, vmware, parallels, etc).
> >
> > A Mac Mini with 2 gigs of RAM would make a really nice dynamips
server.
> > Add in a few USB to Ethernet adapters and you'll be all set to
connect to
> > your switches. Also the performance of dynamips on M ac is far
better
than
> > Windows ;-) You can boot a 3640 running 12.3T enterprise
(compressed
> > image) in under 20 seconds on a dual core Mac.
> >
> > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> >
> >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > Subject: [FWD: RE: IE Workbook Lab Topologies]
> > Date: Fri, August 17, 2007 16:55
> > From: "Scott Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
> >
> > > Somehow dropped the group off that one...
> > >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: RE: IE Workbook Lab Topologies
> > > From: Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
> > > Date: Fri, August 17, 2007 4:43 pm
> > > To: Julian Rodriguez <jumaroyu@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > Hi Julian,
> > > That's an interesting thought! I don't yet own any of these
> > > workbooks, so may I ask what the worst-case is in terms of NIC
ports
> > > I'd need? I did look at quad NICs about a month back but I was
> > > looking at pricing for new hardware -- it was quite expensive.
I'm a
> > > mistrustful person by nature, I guess, as I've never bought
anything
> > > on e-bay in my life and don't expect that I probably ever will.
But
> > > I know there are some reputable vendors out there who deal in
> > > used/refurbished equipment, so this may be a good option to
consider.
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: Re: IE Workbook Lab Topologies
> > > From: "Julian Rodriguez" <jumaroyu@gmail.com>
> > > Date: Fri, August 17, 2007 4:37 pm
> > > To: "Scott Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
> > >
> > > Scott, With such a server, and enough NICs (say like maybe 2
for
> > > each router instance) you will be able to run any IE lab, there
> > > are cheap quad port NICs on ebay, you just have to configure
> > > router instances to use real ports on dynamips. Serial/ATM/FR
are
> > > all simulated on dynamips, so you' ll be safe on that side.
Julian
> > >
> > > On 8/17/07, Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > That's an interesting perspective Jay. I was worried about
> > > perhaps
> > > missing the whole point of certain labs because I couldn't
> > > see what I was
> > > supposed to be seeing, but certainly what you say seems to
> > > make perfectly
> > > good sense... Thanks much!
> > >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: RE: IE Workbook Lab Topologies
> > > From: "Swan, Jay" < jswan@sugf.com>
> > > Date: Fri, August 17, 2007 3:26 pm
> > > To: <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>, < ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >
> > > My opinion: you'll learn a lot by trying to adapt workbook
> > > labs to
> > > whatever resources you have, whether those resources are real
> > > routers
> > > or
> > > Dynamips. Yes, it takes up some e xtra time, but it's still
> > > valuable
> > > experience.
> > >
> > > During my final preparation phase I had access to a lab with
> > > a few
> > > routers, two 3550s, and a 3560; and Dynamips on a Dell D620
> > > with 2GB
> > > RAM. I was never able to completely duplicate any of the
> > > commercial
> > > labs
> > > with this equipment, but I was able to modify the labs to
> > > meet my
> > > study
> > > goals and pass the exam. In some ways, I think the experience
> > > of
> > > modifying the labs as needed was more educational than doing
> > > them as
> > > wr itten.
> > >
> > > Jay (#17783)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > > Behalf
> > > Of
> > > scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com
> > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:34 PM
> > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: IE Workbook Lab Topologies
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I admit that this is a cross-post from the Professional
> > > board, but I
> > > didn't yet have myself subscribed to this list, so I hope you
> > > will
> > > overlook it just this once (my guess is that there are many
> > > here who
> > > never look there, so chances are probably a bit higher
> > > someone will
> > > have
> > > some thoughts to offer)...
> > >
> > > ____
> > >
> > > OK all, I know that many here use these workbooks, so I'm
> > > hoping for
> > > some insight. I had planned to use a large 8 x CPU server to
> > > run all
> > > router instances in Dynamips. I had then thought to buy two
> > > or
> > > perhaps
> > > four 3560-8 switches. However, when I look at the drawing on
> > > page 18
> > > of:
> > >
> > > http://w
> > >
ww.internetworkexpert.com/downloads/iewb-rs.v4.00.sample.lab.pdf
> > > (1 MB file, BTW)
> > >
> > > I see that, for example, SW2 has connections to four
> > > different
> > > distinct
> > > routers. I had planned to have one GBIC connection to the
> > > server per
> > > switch (four NICs on the server). Not sure, exactly, how to
> > > work this
> > > out without doing too much customization of each lab, which
> > > could be
> > > confusing and chew up a lot of valuable time. The one obvious
> > > thing I
> > > can think to do would be to create an emulated switch for
> > > each
> > > physical
> > > switch. Then all routers would terminate to emulated switches
> > > only,
> > > per
> > > the lab topology. I would then bridge the emulated switches
> > > to
> > > physical
> > > server NICs using the Windows loopback and run 802.1q trunks
> > > to with
> > > the
> > > physical switches.
> > >
> > > For those of you who have experience with the IEWBs, do you
> > > think
> > > this
> > > feasible? Or too much trouble to keep straight, since it
> > > wouldn't map
> > > exactly to the lab topology.
> > >
> > > And yes, I realize that those 8-port switches would not fully
> > > support
> > > what I'm seeing on page 18. My thought was that rather than
> > > three
> > > links
> > > between each switch, I'd dro p it down to two in some or all
> > > places.
> > > Thoughts on the impact of that approach?
> > &g t;
> > > Thanks much...
> > > ____
> > >
> > > The bottom line is that I can't afford four 24-port 3550s or
> > > 3560s
> > > (self-employed, slow year). So I'm just trying to work out
> > > some form
> > > of
> > > lab prep that is not horribly expensive yet is still
> > > effective. That
> > > server sitting there doing nothing is just too great a
> > > temptation; I
> > > cannot justify bying a bunch of used or new routers with that
> > > resource
> > > available to me. Just need to work out the switching part and
> > > I'm not
> > > too keen on rack rentals. Seems like you need to book too far
> > > out and
> > > availability can be very spotty. I'm certainly open to the
> > > idea of
&g t; > > mock
> > > labs, just don't want to rely on rentals for study, which I
> > > do at
> > > very
> > > odd hours at times...
> > >
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