From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Thu Aug 30 2007 - 21:51:36 ART
hehehe no way. Late nights on labs and booze?
My wife will kill me.
G'night!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:41 AM
Subject: RE: Preferred workbooks ???
> When in doubt, a little alcohol makes the solutions much more interesting.
> :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:gary.duncanson@googlemail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 8:40 PM
> To: smorris@ipexpert.com
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Preferred workbooks ???
>
> Hard work rocks.
>
> It's 1:31 am and I still can't get my BGP routes across to some router
> that
> should have them on my home lab *grumble*
>
> I can't imagine any shortcuts will really help my plight so have not
> invested in any.
>
> No doubt by battering away I may resolve matters. All these books at home
> will probably help :)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
> To: "'Narbik Kocharians'" <narbikk@gmail.com>; "'Hoogen'"
> <hoogen82@gmail.com>
> Cc: "'Gary Duncanson'" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>; "'Usankin,
> Andrew'"
> <Andrew.Usankin@twtelecom.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:24 AM
> Subject: RE: Preferred workbooks ???
>
>
>> Heheheh... I don't think this is going to be a conversation where anyone
>> comes out feeling good about things...
>>
>> IOS is in english? Ok, kinda sorta. But what percentage of the people
>> working on the IOS code are "first language" english speakers? And who
>> cares?
>>
>> I think this started out as an idea that some places cater to those who
>> are
>> interested in violating NDA. Regardless of the grasp of english
>> language,
>> some countries are more "hospitable" to those who want to run an Internet
>> presence in the grey area of legality than others. Or more importantly
>> some
>> countries don't see things as a problem like others may.
>>
>> Perception is the problem. Anyway... Gender, religion, nationality and
>> all
>> that crap shouldn't really make a difference as far as we are concerned.
>> Whatever site you go to, if something seems too easy, there's likely
>> something wrong. Any reputable company doing CCIE work will not give you
>> "shortcuts" to get to the end goal. Obviously there's marketing
>> differences, and different styles in training. But nobody has shortcuts.
>>
>> Hard work was never easy. If you want the easy way, you aren't helping
>> anyone (other than possibly putting money into the hands of people who
>> aren't going to give it back anyway!)
>>
>> Just my two cents. Or two ruples, or yen, or whatever coinage du jour.
>> ;)
>>
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Narbik Kocharians
>> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:33 PM
>> To: Hoogen
>> Cc: Gary Duncanson; Usankin, Andrew; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: Preferred workbooks ???
>>
>> Guys Cisco is a US base company and i dont know how that relates to
>> Honda.
>> Where do you think 170 Tasman drive is? Why do you think the IOS is in
>> english.
>>
>> On 8/30/07, Hoogen <hoogen82@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think we can all stop this personal attacks. Anything personal, guys
>>> don't mail it to the group study i guess alot of people might be
>>> getting pissed with this thread.
>>>
>>> Cisco is a global company. If it wasn't we would have been having ***
>>> only in Amsterdam then.
>>>
>>> -Hoogen
>>>
>>> P.S: Andrew I guess I have answered you privately.
>>>
>>> On 8/30/07, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Privet Andrew.
>>> >
>>> > Fair comment.
>>> >
>>> > Gary
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Usankin, Andrew" <Andrew.Usankin@twtelecom.com>
>>> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:06 PM
>>> > Subject: RE: Preferred workbooks ???
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > "...Their English is awfully pathetic and it wouldn't surprise me
>>> > > if these guys are found to be from China or Korea."
>>> > >
>>> > > They obviously speak well Chinese or Korean :) Can you?
>>> > > I got my CCNP and CCDP back in Russia and by that time I didn't
>>> > > speak English at all, I knew only technical English. So what?
>>> > >
>>> > > Andrew
>>> > >
>>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>> > > Behalf
>>> Of
>>> > > Hoogen
>>> > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:31 AM
>>> > > To: Brad Ellis; Jonny English
>>> > > Cc: cato hiroyasu; knight knight; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> > > Subject: Re: Preferred workbooks ???
>>> > >
>>> > > Well I guess Jonny was just inquiring so that the guys number can
>>> > > be sent to Cisco NDA. The site resides in Korea FYI.
>>> > >
>>> > > Everyone's bothered now since the way CCIE numbers are flying
>>> > > around that region China's explosion is unbelievable. I have met
>>> > > some engineers from there who are good, but most of the CCIE's
>>> > > don't even recognize a console port. Its becoming ridiculous and I
>>> > > am really not sure what's Cisco's take on these sites as they have
>>> > > been existing for
>>> a
>>> > > pretty long time violating the NDA.
>>> > >
>>> > > Their English is awfully pathetic and it wouldn't surprise me if
>>> > > these guys are found to be from China or Korea.
>>> > >
>>> > > -Hoogen
>>> > >
>>> > > On 8/30/07, Brad Ellis <brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Do NOT purchase that crap and support the NDA violators. In
>>> > >> addition, what happens if Cisco goes after them and get's their
>>> > >> customer list and you're one of the people on it??? I'd say you
>>> > >> were willing violating NDA by purchasing this material. Now that
>>> > >> would be interesting... just a thought.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> thanks,
>>> > >> Brad Ellis
>>> > >> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>> > >> CCSI# 30482
>>> > >> CEO / President
>>> > >> CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
>>> > >> Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com
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>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>>> > >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>> > >> Behalf Of Jonny English
>>> > >> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 11:44 AM
>>> > >> To: cato hiroyasu
>>> > >> Cc: knight knight; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> > >> Subject: Re: Preferred workbooks ???
>>> > >> Importance: Low
>>> > >>
>>> > >> whats your ccie number?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On 8/30/07, cato hiroyasu <cato.hiroyasu@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Hi. Knight
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > I do not think so. i also know about CCIEcert's WB. Coz CCIEs
>>> > >> > in my company also bought their WB & passed Actually once i saw
>>> > >> > the website, i also had some doubt like U but all of things
>>> > >> > were
>>> cleared
>>> > >
>>> > >> > I also bought WB from there and passed
>>> > >> they
>>> > >> > are surely selling ccie real labs and it's really perfact I do
>>> > >> > not recommand to you go to there if you do not know about CCIE
>>> > >> basic
>>> > >> > Technology
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > If you try to sell real stuffs. can you inform your phone No
>>> > >> > Knight
>>> > > ?
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Cato
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > 2007/8/30, knight knight <knight_leb@yahoo.com>:
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > > This site looks like a scam, or done really really poorly.
>>> > >> > > Actually
>>> > >> it
>>> > >> > > looks like it was translated by an online tool, little fishy.
>>> > >> > > They
>>> > >> have
>>> > >> > no
>>> > >> > > phone contact, and they want you to pay 90.00 bucks for the
>>> > > sample.
>>> > >> Oh
>>> > >> > > and if you share their labs, you "face big problem", very
>>> > > humorous.
>>> > >> And
>>> > >> > only
>>> > >> > > CCIE candidate can buy their labs, another funny comment on
>>> > >> > > the
>>> > >> site.
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > > Nabil
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > > ----- Original Message ----
>>> > >> > > From: Deepak Ahuja <deeps.ccie@gmail.com>
>>> > >> > > To: joh willi <wjoh71@gmail.com>
>>> > >> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> > >> > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:08:51 PM
>>> > >> > > Subject: Re: Preferred workbooks ???
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > > Hi
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > > http://www.cciecert.net/ccie/index.html
>>> > >> > > Heard about it from a lot of people, thinking of buying it so
>>> > >> > > wanted suggestions
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > > On 8/27/07, joh willi <wjoh71@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > hello deepak,
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > What is ccie cert?. I never heard about such a work book.
>>> > >> > > > can
>>> > >> you
>>> > >> > > > provide the info about it?.
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > thanks,
>>> > >> > > > joh
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > On 8/27/07, Deepak Ahuja <deeps.ccie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > > Hi Experts
>>> > >> > > > >
>>> > >> > > > > I have my Lab Attempt scheduled in November , I am
>>> > >> > > > > almost done
>>> > >> with
>>> > >> > > > > IPEXPERT V9, I wanted to know which workbooks are
>>> > >> > > > > considered
>>> > >> > > best, as
>>> > >> > > > > I
>>> > >> > > > > have got different reviews from people around me
>>> > >> > > > >
>>> > >> > > > > 1. Internetwork Expert
>>> > >> > > > > 2. IP Expert
>>> > >> > > > > 3. CCIE Cert
>>> > >> > > > >
>>> > >> > > > > Any insight on that will be appreciated
>>> > >> > > > >
>>> > >> > > > > Regards
>>> > >> > > > > DK
>>> > >> > > > >
>>> > >> > > > >
>>> > >> > >
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