From: josh lauer (jslauer@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat Sep 01 2007 - 10:45:13 ART
I Totally agree with you Darth or is it Darth Spanker? (Sorry, couldn't
resist that cheesy entry)
Dynamips is so convenient you can fit it on a laptop, so when your on a
plane or wherever you can configure routers..it's always available! Just
like your hand!
Josh
CCIE 16024
----- Original Message -----
From: "darth router" <darklordrouter@gmail.com>
To: "Scott Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
Cc: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 3:04 AM
Subject: Re: Dynagen folks...
> You guys are going it all wrong. You have to fight analogy with analogy.
>
> (Even if you arent a virgin, sometimes you would just rather whack off) =
> DYNAMIPS!
>
> I had a full CCIE lab, sold it, recouped money, and dynamips is much much
> more efficient as far as building topologies and changing things.
>
> bwahahahhaha!
>
> On 9/1/07, Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'll take this a step further Joe (and maybe you have a good answer, I
>> don't presuppose with any degree of certainty, but I can suspect):
>>
>> Other than some of the text that flies by during the boot sequence, if
>> the Brians secretly redirected you to a rack where the routers were all
>> Dynamips instances (excepting the ISR, which Dynagen does not emulate as
>> of this time), how would you know they had done that, exactly? Would it
>> be the "feel" perhaps? The "force" maybe?
>>
>> I'll tell you one way you might notice: I can boot a router instance on
>> this Mac Mini in a matter of a few seconds! I get "press return to get
>> started" in a very small fraction of the time I do when booting a
>> hardware router. Other than that and the aforementioned text thing, I'm
>> not sure how you'd ever even know sitting from afar?
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: RE: Dynagen folks...
>> From: Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
>> Date: Fri, August 31, 2007 10:38 pm
>> To: Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>
>> I am a true Dynamips/Dynagen believer and have built my lab prep
>> "rack"
>> around it/them. Please explain, Joe, how I will fail the CCIE lab
>> because of it ("nothing else can prepare you for the real thing")?
>> What
>> is it about that "feel" that makes the difference (can you go "feel"
>> the
>> routers during the practical? Can you "feel" the routers in that
>> remote
>> rack?)?
>>
>> This has the potential to become the next "CCIE vs. college degree"
>> topic, me thinks. It's probably not a very good use of bandwidth,
>> come
>> to think of it LOL, but I can't resist asking you to elaborate on
>> these
>> seemingly unfounded generalizations. I would prefer that you answer
>> with
>> "I have hardware routers and I also run Dynamips/Dynagen on a machine
>> of
>> sufficient horsepower, and here are the things I can do on the former
>> that I can't do on the latter *that matter in the lab* (i.e. don't
>> tell
>> me about toggling the power switch...yawn...you can't do that in the
>> lab
>> anyway by all accounts I've ever heard).
>>
>> I'll start, going the opposite direction:
>>
>> I run Dynamips/Dynagen on a machine of sufficient horsepower, and I
>> can
>> directly capture traffic from a router interface into a .cap file and
>> scrutinize every one and zero using open source WireShark. When I
>> want
>> to do that w/ physical routers, I have to use Ethernet (no serial)
>> and
>> set up a span port on a switch or put a hub in between the two
>> routers,
>> with a machine running WireShark hanging off of the hub (and I'm
>> obviously in HDX at this point, which means the test environment is
>> different than the non-test environment). Otherwise, I'm limited to
>> only
>> debug. I, of course, acknowledge that you're limited to only debug in
>> the lab, but in your preparation for the lab, it's powerful to have
>> such
>> a tool at your disposal so that you can truly understand what's going
>> on
>> under the hood when you see certain debug output.
>>
>> BTW, I'm told Juniper has this capability to write .cap files on
>> physical
>> routers, but I cannot personall y verify. I have never heard of such
>> a
>> capability on Cisco routers, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
>>
>> There are more, of course, but I've already stated many of them in
>> other
>> recent threads and posts...
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Dynagen folks...
>> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>> Date: Fri, August 31, 2007 9:53 pm
>> To: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>
>> Nothing feels as good as the real thing. And else nothing can prepare
>> you
>> for the real thing.
>>
>> (Remember if you only have had sex with a condom, your still a
>> virgin, LOL)
>>
>> Check out the Brian's racks!
>>
>> http://www.affirmedsystems.com/photos/IERACKS.JPG
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