From: darth router (darklordrouter@gmail.com)
Date: Sat Sep 01 2007 - 11:18:10 ART
I was lucky enough to have dynamips and 4 switches, which is pretty much the
same as having a full rack. Personally I think it is very beneficial to
study a technology group at a time. In hindsight. I would have just used
dynamips alone (Oh yea, Aloooone babay), and then rented 4-8 hour slots, and
practiced switching for all of those hours. The switching stuff is really
pretty easy, compared to everything else, IMO.
DR
On 9/1/07, darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> LOL!
>
> On 9/1/07, Ian Blaney <ian.blaney@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Josh
> >
> > I don't fancy sitting next to you on a long plane journey!!!
> >
> > Just like your hand. Always available. OOOeerrr Missus.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > P.S (Sorry, couldn't resist that cheesy entry)
> >
> >
> > On 9/1/07, josh lauer <jslauer@hotmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > I Totally agree with you Darth or is it Darth Spanker? (Sorry,
> > > couldn't
> > > resist that cheesy entry)
> > >
> > > Dynamips is so convenient you can fit it on a laptop, so when your on
> > > a
> > > plane or wherever you can configure routers..it's always available!
> > > Just
> > > like your hand!
> > >
> > >
> > > Josh
> > > CCIE 16024
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "darth router" < darklordrouter@gmail.com>
> > > To: "Scott Vermillion" < scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
> > > Cc: "Cisco certification" < ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 3:04 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Dynagen folks...
> > >
> > > > You guys are going it all wrong. You have to fight analogy with
> > > analogy.
> > > >
> > > > (Even if you arent a virgin, sometimes you would just rather whack
> > > off) =
> > > > DYNAMIPS!
> > > >
> > > > I had a full CCIE lab, sold it, recouped money, and dynamips is much
> > > much
> > > > more efficient as far as building topologies and changing things.
> > > >
> > > > bwahahahhaha!
> > > >
> > > > On 9/1/07, Scott Vermillion < scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I'll take this a step further Joe (and maybe you have a good
> > > answer, I
> > > >> don't presuppose with any degree of certainty, but I can suspect):
> > > >>
> > > >> Other than some of the text that flies by during the boot sequence,
> > > if
> > > >> the Brians secretly redirected you to a rack where the routers were
> > > all
> > > >> Dynamips instances (excepting the ISR, which Dynagen does not
> > > emulate as
> > > >> of this time), how would you know they had done that,
> > > exactly? Would it
> > > >> be the "feel" perhaps? The "force" maybe?
> > > >>
> > > >> I'll tell you one way you might notice: I can boot a router
> > > instance on
> > > >> this Mac Mini in a matter of a few seconds! I get "press return to
> > > get
> > > >> started" in a very small fraction of the time I do when booting a
> > > >> hardware router. Other than that and the aforementioned text
> > > thing, I'm
> > > >> not sure how you'd ever even know sitting from afar?
> > > >>
> > > >> -------- Original Message --------
> > > >> Subject: RE: Dynagen folks...
> > > >> From: Scott Vermillion < scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
> > > >> Date: Fri, August 31, 2007 10:38 pm
> > > >> To: Cisco certification < ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > >>
> > > >> I am a true Dynamips/Dynagen believer and have built my lab prep
> > > >> "rack"
> > > >> around it/them. Please explain, Joe, how I will fail the CCIE lab
> > > >> because of it ("nothing else can prepare you for the real
> > > thing")?
> > > >> What
> > > >> is it about that "feel" that makes the difference (can you go
> > > "feel"
> > > >> the
> > > >> routers during the practical? Can you "feel" the routers in that
> > > >> remote
> > > >> rack?)?
> > > >>
> > > >> This has the potential to become the next "CCIE vs. college
> > > degree"
> > > >> topic, me thinks. It's probably not a very good use of bandwidth,
> > > >> come
> > > >> to think of it LOL, but I can't resist asking you to elaborate on
> > > >> these
> > > >> seemingly unfounded generalizations. I would prefer that you
> > > answer
> > > >> with
> > > >> "I have hardware routers and I also run Dynamips/Dynagen on a
> > > machine
> > > >> of
> > > >> sufficient horsepower, and here are the things I can do on the
> > > former
> > > >> that I can't do on the latter *that matter in the lab* (i.e.
> > > don't
> > > >> tell
> > > >> me about toggling the power switch...yawn...you can't do that in
> > > the
> > > >> lab
> > > >> anyway by all accounts I've ever heard).
> > > >>
> > > >> I'll start, going the opposite direction:
> > > >>
> > > >> I run Dynamips/Dynagen on a machine of sufficient horsepower, and
> > > I
> > > >> can
> > > >> directly capture traffic from a router interface into a .cap file
> > > and
> > > >> scrutinize every one and zero using open source WireShark. When I
> > > >> want
> > > >> to do that w/ physical routers, I have to use Ethernet (no
> > > serial)
> > > >> and
> > > >> set up a span port on a switch or put a hub in between the two
> > > >> routers,
> > > >> with a machine running WireShark hanging off of the hub (and I'm
> > > >> obviously in HDX at this point, which means the test environment
> > > is
> > > >> different than the non-test environment). Otherwise, I'm limited
> > > to
> > > >> only
> > > >> debug. I, of course, acknowledge that you're limited to only
> > > debug in
> > > >> the lab, but in your preparation for the lab, it's powerful to
> > > have
> > > >> such
> > > >> a tool at your disposal so that you can truly understand what's
> > > going
> > > >> on
> > > >> under the hood when you see certain debug output.
> > > >>
> > > >> BTW, I'm told Juniper has this capability to write .cap files on
> > > >> physical
> > > >> routers, but I cannot personall y verify. I have never heard of
> > > such
> > > >> a
> > > >> capability on Cisco routers, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
> > > >>
> > > >> There are more, of course, but I've already stated many of them
> > > in
> > > >> other
> > > >> recent threads and posts...
> > > >>
> > > >> -------- Original Message --------
> > > >> Subject: Dynagen folks...
> > > >> From: "Joseph Brunner" < joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> > > >> Date: Fri, August 31, 2007 9:53 pm
> > > >> To: "'Cisco certification'" < ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > >>
> > > >> Nothing feels as good as the real thing. And else nothing can
> > > prepare
> > > >> you
> > > >> for the real thing.
> > > >>
> > > >> (Remember if you only have had sex with a condom, your still a
> > > >> virgin, LOL)
> > > >>
> > > >> Check out the Brian's racks!
> > > >>
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