From: Greg Wendel (gwendel@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Sep 02 2007 - 00:39:07 ART
Look up Juniper Olive for Juniper simulation. It is not the same as
dynamips, but is an option.
http://juniper.cluepon.net/index.php/Olive
Thanks,
Greg
On 9/1/07, ISolveSystems <support@isolvesystems.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Scott M.,
> Can you emulate Juniper router on PC also?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> On 9/1/07, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think it's stuff that will matter that much, but can you emulate
> > console port connections for a full stack of routers?
> >
> > Or, by the time you get your PC outfitted with 16 ethernet ports to plug
> > into your switches, haven't you just spent as much in equipment and your
> > own
> > valuable time as getting real equipment?
> >
> > I don't think it's anything truly important, but it just depends on
> where
> > you like to spend your time. Me, I don't like unix that much, so the
> idea
> > of configuring a box for Dynamips isn't ranking real high on my
> list. But
> > that's just me. Doesn't mean I think it's useless at all!
> >
> > I'm all for the couple instances on a laptop to test minor things while
> > flying cross-country on the airplane... I did that with my Juniper
> > studies,
> > so I certainly have no qualms about it with Cisco gear.
> >
> >
> > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> JNCIE
> > #153, CISSP, et al.
> > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> > VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> >
> > A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
> >
> > smorris@ipexpert.com
> >
> > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> > Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> > http://www.ipexpert.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Scott Vermillion
> > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 1:06 PM
> > To: Cisco certification
> > Subject: RE: Dynagen folks...
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > I will ask of you the same thing I asked of Joe:
> >
> > Please be specific on what you can do w/ a stack of e-bay routers that
> you
> > cannot do in Dynamips *that matters in the lab.* I'm honestly
> interested
> > in
> > hearing from people on that issue.
> >
> > I agree that there is a time investment to get this set up. And a $$
> > investment in the real switches. But I have now have 24/7 access to a
> > full
> > "rack" and I don't have to schedule anything with anybody. For those of
> > us
> > who remove ourselves from the working world while we prepare for the
> lab,
> > this can actually be a cost savings (every day that goes by is a day I
> > can't
> > bill any clients for my time, so the more intense I am about this, the
> > sooner I get back in the money).
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: RE: Dynagen folks...
> > From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
> > Date: Sat, September 01, 2007 5:48 am
> > To: "'darth router'" <darklordrouter@gmail.com>, "'Scott
> > Vermillion'"
> > <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
> > Cc: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >
> > And the self-handling have no risk of STD. ;)
> >
> > Anyway, there are some subtle things that cannot be done on a
> > virtualized
> > devices. There is a LOT of time to be spent in order to get a full
> > system
> > setup and integrated with real switches in order to get the full
> > flavor of
> > actual equipment/lab.
> >
> > However, it's a bit cheaper to go virtual! Either way, virtual stuff
> > isn't
> > a substitute for real equipment, but I don't think it would add up to
> > someone failing because they just did Dynamips. Unless of course,
> > they did
> > Dynampis exclusively on routers and virtualized ethernet connections
> > without
> > touching ANY switches. Then there would be a significant number of
> > points
> > lost and likely unable to recover enough to pass.
> >
> > Worst case, do most of the L3 'n' up studies on Dynamips.... Go rent
> > some
> > rack time and concentrate on the L2/ethernet side of things. Problem
> > solved, money saved.
> >
> > Ya know there's a holiday for your parenthetical analogy there....
> > Palm
> > Sunday. ;)
> >
> > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> > JNCIE
> > #153, CISSP, et al.
> > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> > VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> >
> > A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
> >
> > smorris@ipexpert.com
> >
> > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> > Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> > http://www.ipexpert.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > darth router
> > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 3:04 AM
> > To: Scott Vermillion
> > Cc: Cisco certification
> > Subject: Re: Dynagen folks...
> >
> > You guys are going it all wrong. You have to fight analogy with
> > analogy.
> >
> > (Even if you arent a virgin, sometimes you would just rather whack
> > off) =
> > DYNAMIPS!
> >
> > I had a full CCIE lab, sold it, recouped money, and dynamips is much
> > much
> > more efficient as far as building topologies and changing things.
> >
> > bwahahahhaha!
> >
> > On 9/1/07, Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'll take this a step further Joe (and maybe you have a good
> > answer, I
> > > don't presuppose with any degree of certainty, but I can suspect):
> > >
> > > Other than some of the text that flies by during the boot sequence,
> > if
> > > the Brians secretly redirected you to a rack where the routers were
> > > all Dynamips instances (excepting the ISR, which Dynagen does not
> > > emulate as of this time), how would you know they had done that,
> > > exactly? Would it be the "feel" perhaps? The "force" maybe?
> > >
> > > I'll tell you one way you might notice: I can boot a router
> > instance
> > > on this Mac Mini in a matter of a few seconds! I get "press return
> > to
> > > get started" in a very small fraction of the time I do when booting
> > a
> > > hardware router. Other than that and the aforementioned text thing,
> > > I'm not sure how you'd ever even know sitting from afar?
> > >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: RE: Dynagen folks...
> > > From: Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
> > > Date: Fri, August 31, 2007 10:38 pm
> > > To: Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >
> > > I am a true Dynamips/Dynagen believer and have built my lab prep
> > > "rack"
> > > around it/them. Please explain, Joe, how I will fail the CCIE lab
> > > because of it ("nothing else can prepare you for the real thing")?
> > > What
> > > is it about that "feel" that makes the difference (can you go
> > "feel"
> > > the
> > > routers during the practical? Can you "feel" the routers in that
> > > remote
> > > rack?)?
> > >
> > > This has the potential to become the next "CCIE vs. college degree"
> > > topic, me thinks. It's probably not a very good use of bandwidth,
> > > come
> > > to think of it LOL, but I can't resist asking you to elaborate on
> > > these
> > > seemingly unfounded generalizations. I would prefer that you answer
> > > with
> > > "I have hardware routers and I also run Dynamips/Dynagen on a
> > machine
> > > of
> > > sufficient horsepower, and here are the things I can do on the
> > former
> > > that I can't do on the latter *that matter in the lab* (i.e. don't
> > > tell
> > > me about toggling the power switch...yawn...you can't do that in
> > the
> > > lab
> > > anyway by all accounts I've ever heard).
> > >
> > > I'll start, going the opposite direction:
> > >
> > > I run Dynamips/Dynagen on a machine of sufficient horsepower, and I
> > > can
> > > directly capture traffic from a router interface into a .cap file
> > and
> > > scrutinize every one and zero using open source WireShark. When I
> > > want
> > > to do that w/ physical routers, I have to use Ethernet (no serial)
> > > and
> > > set up a span port on a switch or put a hub in between the two
> > > routers,
> > > with a machine running WireShark hanging off of the hub (and I'm
> > > obviously in HDX at this point, which means the test environment is
> > > different than the non-test environment). Otherwise, I'm limited to
> > > only
> > > debug. I, of course, acknowledge that you're limited to only debug
> > in
> > > the lab, but in your preparation for the lab, it's powerful to have
> > > such
> > > a tool at your disposal so that you can truly understand what's
> > going
> > > on
> > > under the hood when you see certain debug output.
> > >
> > > BTW, I'm told Juniper has this capability to write .cap files on
> > > physical
> > > routers, but I cannot personall y verify. I have never heard of
> > such
> > > a
> > > capability on Cisco routers, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
> > >
> > > There are more, of course, but I've already stated many of them in
> > > other
> > > recent threads and posts...
> > >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: Dynagen folks...
> > > From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> > > Date: Fri, August 31, 2007 9:53 pm
> > > To: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >
> > > Nothing feels as good as the real thing. And else nothing can
> > prepare
> > > you
> > > for the real thing.
> > >
> > > (Remember if you only have had sex with a condom, your still a
> > > virgin, LOL)
> > >
> > > Check out the Brian's racks!
> > >
> > > http://www.affirmedsystems.com/photos/IERACKS.JPG
> > >
> > > Rack12R6#sh vers
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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