From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Sep 29 2007 - 23:24:26 ART
Not as bad as it seems Joseph, Victor and Brad had an
equitable arrangement and Victor was treated very
fairly as an employee by Brad Ellis and NLI.
This seems to be a one-off case and for all we know
Brad did not want to pay for Victor's work for any
number of reasons.
Victor and I have been friends for a while now and
I've even had the pleasure of studying with Victor as
have had many of us here.
Many of us also have had dealing with Brad Ellis and
NLI and know them to be a decent provider of very
excellent materials.
Surely this will get worked out.
--- Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
> Victor why did you teach, etc?
>
> I personally DO NOT WORK for with, or have anything
> to do with
> Not-for-profits or other dead beats...
>
> I strictly work with financial firms, futures,
> private equity, hedge fund
> management firms, and the energy/fuel sector. I have
> read your posts, and I
> think you could do the same...
>
> Don't waste time dealing with those that will not
> generously pay...
>
> A wise man once told me a financial firm;
>
> "if you don't have your hand on the spigot you're
> not going to get anything
> to drink"
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 9:45 PM
> To: 'Darby Weaver'; 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Victor
> Cappuccio'
> Cc: Jay.Hanke@alltel.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: NLI R&S volume 7 Lab 3
>
> Let's try not to bring everyone into the mix of what
> I'm sure is a purely
> personal business arrangement there. I have done
> work for NLI in the past,
> and >I< never had problems getting paid. I can't
> say the same about NLI's
> sponsoring CLP - Tech 2000 though. But still, not
> everyone has the same
> experiences with anyone or everyone, so don't try to
> lump them with any quip
> about "Is this how the game is played?"
>
> If you feel like being a contract lawyer, go take
> Victor's case and analyze
> the details. Until then, help him out however you
> want or however you can,
> but no sense dragging this in the public view
> without a representation of
> both sides. If Brad wants to engage publically, I'm
> sure that'll be his
> decision to make.
>
> I do feel bad for Victor, and I agree it's very sad
> news prima facie.
> Victor has things to think about and has been given
> some contacts by which
> to engage however he sees fit.
>
> Ethics are an interesting term, and always depend on
> certain viewpoints as
> well as having all the information rather than just
> a convenient little
> snippet. Let's all just play nice.
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> Provider) #4713, JNCIE-M
> #153, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
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>
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> Credits!
>
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>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 1:57 PM
> To: Narbik Kocharians; Victor Cappuccio
> Cc: Darby Weaver; Jay.Hanke@alltel.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: NLI R&S volume 7 Lab 3
>
> This is very sad news to be hearing.
>
> Are you guys saying that that NLI asked you to write
> workbooks for the CCIE
> Lab Studies and that NLI, Brad Ellis, or whoever you
> struck a deal with did
> not pay you for your work...
>
> Well...
>
> Is this how the game is played?
>
> Hmmm...
>
> Brad,
>
> Is this true? Are you doing what they say you are
> doing or have already
> done?
>
> Ouch!
>
> I guess if the labs are to be given away as freeware
> then who would buy them
> anyway from NLI.
>
> Anyone who has seen Victor's work (not quite a CCIE
> with digits yet) knows
> he is a quality engineer, and is quite capable with
> the CLI - A young Brian
> Dennis or Val Pavlichencko in the making...
>
> This is not good for NLI and may not bode well for
> other vendors of
> workbooks as well.
>
> Is this common practice?
>
> I've also heard of stories where some CCIE
> instructors have not been paid
> for training for some of the named vendors on this
> list.
>
> Ouch!!!
>
> Guys,
>
> We need to be ethical and we need to play by the
> rules.
>
> Satisfy these folks in private or something - or do
> we wait till this story
> hits all of the forums for the rest of the Internet
> to see...
>
> I get a feeling it won't be long if not handled
> quickly, courteously, and
> very professionally.
>
>
>
> --- Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > He can not hold your CCSI, if you have a firm that
> will hire you as a
> > trainer, you can get that training company to
> force your CCSI out of
> > there.
> > You can get your CCSI out of NLI if you want to,
> do you want me to
> > tell you the procedure?
> > He has not paid me for the worok books that he
> sold.
> > I hope that he gets
> > his, by the way please let every one know that i
> am holding a CCIE R&S
> > boot camp in Vegas for 2500 dollars per person
> which includes
> > accomodation.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/29/07, Victor Cappuccio
> <vcappuccio@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Guys for the heads up
> > >
> > > Yes Narbik I wrote lab 35 and 13 labs more, I am
> > not sure about the
> > > intelectual property, but sinceBrad Ellis CEO of
> > NLI did not paid for 8 labs
> > > I am willing to give them away free
> > >
> > > Victor.-
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/29/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > And holding one's CCSI hostage is not nice and
> > it
> > > > seems that Victor needs his for employment at
> > the
> > > > moment very badly.
> > > >
> > > > It does not have to be public, but Victor
> could
> > use
> > > > his credentials freed up a bit...
> > > >
> > > > Hint Hint..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com >
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Victor did you write these labs?
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/29/07, Victor Cappuccio
> > <vcappuccio@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Jay the password for lab 35 is secret,
> I
> > hope
> > > > > this helps at this time
> > > > > > Yes it was something I did not
> intentionaly
> > and
> > > > > did not place that in the
> > > > > > wording of lab 35
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am not working any longer in ccbootcamp
> > and I am
> > > > > looking for a job. and
> > > > > > Brad, I need my CCSI Number to be released
> > from
> > > > > NLI
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Victor Cappuccio
> > > > > > www.vcappuccio.wordpress.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 9/28/07, Darby Weaver
> > <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You might ask Victor C. - I think he may
> > know
> > > > > somthing
> > > > > > > of this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But I'm not sure if he's still working
> or
> > > > > associated
> > > > > > > with NLI.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- Jay.Hanke@alltel.com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There is an enable secret in the
> default
> > > > > configs for
> > > > > > > > the routers and
> > > > > > > > switches that has caught me by
> surprise
> > after
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > reload! I'm working
> > > > > > > > through the lab now. If anyone knows
> the
> > > > > enable
> > > > > > > > secret it would save me
> > > > > > > > a lot of rework!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > jay
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
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