From: istong@stong.org
Date: Tue Oct 09 2007 - 22:59:02 ART
Don't forget the token ring switch, DLSW and IPX to name a
few :(
Ian
www.ccie4u.com
> Sounds good - I still have my old lab notes, and group
> study emails - Maybe they could bring back the 2500, and
> Cat 5000 at the same time.
>
>
> Howard
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> On Behalf Of istong
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 7:03 PM
> To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Brad Ellis'; 'Christopher M. Heffner'
> ; 'Eric Dobyns'; 'Brian Dennis'
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> Hmmm,
>
> That sounds a lot like the old 2 day lab but condensed and
> reversed :)
>
>
> Ian
> www.ccie4u.com
> Rack Rentals and Discounted Workbooks
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> On Behalf Of Scott Morris
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 4:34 PM
> To: 'Brad Ellis'; 'Christopher M. Heffner'; 'Eric Dobyns';
> 'Brian Dennis'
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> If they want to make serious progress in that idea, then
> they'll take a different approach.
>
> 1. Start with a troubleshooting lab. 1-2 hours. If you
> can't figure enough things out to fix, you obviously don't
> know what's going on and shouldn't get to the "real" lab.
>
> 2. Shorten the real lab to 6-7 hours. People who don't
> make troubleshooting won't even see the real thing and
> therefore can't possibly
> copy/memorize it 'cause they went home early.
>
> Taking the same lab again is only helpful if you've
> figured out the answers
> and can actually make things work! But splitting things
> up like this will
> give a higher test of people's deep understanding of
> technologies rather than any sort of memorization for
> stuff going on.
>
> Just my thoughts. But raising the price or increasing the
> time between labs
> will irritate more good people than it will deter the ones
> you are trying to
> keep out.
>
> Some people know how things work, others do not. Filter
> based on that!
>
> Just my two cents.
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> Provider) #4713, JNCIE-M
> #153, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
>
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>
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>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> On Behalf Of Brad
> Ellis
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:40 PM
> To: Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> It might suck, but that would definitely solve a bunch of
> problems:
>
> 1) It would make it much harder for those "real test
> sites" to get updates
> 2) The backlog wouldnbt be so bad - there would be a
lot
> more seats available
> 3) People would stop using the "take the test every 30
> days until I pass"
> technique. I know a few folks who have taken the lab like
> that 8 or more times until they pass. (This method gives a
> high percentage of "same lab"
> possibilities.)
>
> thanks,
> Brad Ellis
> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> CCSI# 30482
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher M. Heffner
> [mailto:cheffner@certified-labs.com] Sent: Tuesday,
> October 09, 2007 11:07 AM To: Brad Ellis; Eric Dobyns;
> Brian Dennis Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> security@groupstudy.com; comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> Now that would really "suck" big time!
>
> Chris Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760
> Strategic Network Solutions, Inc.
>
> www.certified-labs.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Ellis [mailto:brad@ccbootcamp.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:22 PM
> To: Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> I've heard that Cisco may change their re-take policy from
> 30 days to 6 months for failed tests...but just rumors so
> far.
>
> thanks,
> Brad Ellis
> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> CCSI# 30482
> CEO / President
> CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
> Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com
> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA
> Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
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> Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
>
> Register to win a free iPhone!
> http://www.ccbootcamp.com/iphone.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> On Behalf Of Christopher M. Heffner
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:32 AM
> To: Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> Importance: Low
>
> Please DON'T give them any ideas.
>
> This is an expensive enough profession.
>
> Chris Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760
> Strategic Network Solutions, Inc.
>
> www.certified-labs.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Dobyns [mailto:eric_dobyns@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:43 PM
> To: 'Brian Dennis'; Christopher M. Heffner
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> Right now, I think they could charge twice that and still
> fill up their seats.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> On Behalf Of Brian Dennis
> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:22 PM
> To: Christopher M. Heffner
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> Someone "announced" it here a few weeks ago ;-)
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
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> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
>
>
>
> On Oct 8, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Christopher M. Heffner wrote:
>
> > Did anyone else notice the lab price increase made by
> > Cisco for the CCIE Labs?
> >
> >
> >
> > I noticed when checking lab dates that the price for the
> > lab is now $1400.00 per attempt.
> >
> >
> >
> > I donbt see any announcement on the CCIE website for
> > the price increase.
> >
> >
> >
> > Is this just being quietly changed without an
> announcement? >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Christopher M. Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760
> >
> > Strategic Network Solutions, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> > HYPERLINK
> "http://www.certified-labs.com/"www.certified-labs.com >
> >
> >
> > b(*
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