From: joshua lauer (jslauer@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun Oct 14 2007 - 18:04:12 ART
Excellent Words of Wisdom from Farhan!!!
The CCIE is just the beginning and should be only a part of the resume. The
CCIE to an employer just shows that the employee has brought himself to the
next level and is ready to go further..It shows the employer they have
dedication and determination. The rest of it is determined by a resume and
previous job performance.
I dont think the CCIE is going away and as long as Cisco continues to strong
arm people who violate the integrity of the exam I think the Certification
will retain it's value.
Josh
CCIE 16024
> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 15:32:26 -0300
> From: iosluver@gmail.com
> To: farhan.anwar@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: Will CCIE lab walk on the same road as ccna,ccnp,ccsp,mcse,...
walked long time ago?
> CC: cyrus.mgh@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>
> Hi Gents,
>
> The point here is what exactly has Cisco done to rid the CCIE program of
> this practices? I began to question Cisco's judgement especially when I
> consider the fact that, labs that people buy oline to pass the labs have
> been available in the public domain for almost 2 years now.
>
> Do you really think Cisco will spend resources to go after these people..I
> think not & will love to see any evidence to the contrary. This is a big
ass
> rat race that Cisco being a corporation will win & come out on top even
> though they aren't racing with the rest of us. Cisco is in a win-win
> situation because, they add more individuals to their growing pool of
CCIEs
> every month, they however, do not make any effort to protect the integrity
> of program, Furthermore, why should they, when there is now a need for the
> really good engineers to place themselves above the cheats in the pecking
> order by earning a second or even third CCIE. This is not a bad aspect of
> the cause & effect here, it is rather good in my humble opinion. This does
> not however prevent Cisco from meeting ethical commitments if only to
> protect the program.
>
> So tell me who is winning, the candidate who invests between 12 to 18
months
> to prepare for 1 lab & possibly retake the lab if a failure occurs, or
Cisco
> which just waits for the credit card charges to roll through stamp on the
> numbers without bothering to maintain the integrity of the Cetification. On
> the long run, we will be the ones on whom the burden of placing
> this aspect of the industry in the position of great respect &
> privilege which it deserves.
>
> After the incident in which the dude with the ACL on a sheet of paper got
> himself into a sicky situation was discussed in the forum last week, it
> became very obvious to me that Cisco's liability as far as the
certification
> program is concerned does not extend itself into pursueing the vioaltors of
> the NDA, exam regualtions. If they catch you fine..if they don't move on &
> join the others out there.
>
> Makes you wonder how long this crap has been going on. I remember back in
> the days of MCSE NT 4.0 (I'm not placing MCSE on the same level as the
CCIE,
> this is stictly an analogy), if you lived in Asia, you could get an MCSE in
> a week or 2 with no fuss what so ever. This eventually moved to become a
> global get-&-pass MCSE for all. You would think that Microsoft would find a
> way to stamp this out, no, what did they do, they rewarded the very same
> region with the biggest overseas software development for Microsoft out
side
> the US. Last I checked, Cisco has begun to go down this path as well. Has
it
> occured to you that with the large pool of CCIEs in the market, a time will
> come when the slaries will begin to drop, making the potential CCIE
> candidate aim for 2 or more CCIEs to make the kind of money one would
> consider a good paycheck.
>
> I hate to admit but this after all is why it is called CAPITALISM,..... the
> player with the big chips wins ....
>
>
>
>
> On 10/14/07, Farhan Anwar <farhan.anwar@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Cyrus,
> > Remember, doing a CCIE is just the beginning, sustaining it is also hard
> > enough. After attaining the popular number, ppl expect you to be an
Expert
> > as the label says, but if you are not what they think of, your survival
is
> > tough in the competent market. Sure one can make $1000/month using
> > Rentacert
> > ;) but whats the point in attaining it if all you wanted is the $1000
> > rent.
> >
> > Let Cisco take care of its CCIE Program's integrity, uniqueness and
> > intensity.
> > Let us concentrate on the matters which help us in attaining our number
> > honestly.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Farhan.
> >
> > On 10/14/07, sirus MOGHADASIAN <cyrus.mgh@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi GS,
> > >
> > > I find at least two site that sell real ccie lab scenarios that have
> > > product
> > > like this (6 Real Labs(2006) + 4 NEW Real Labs(2007)!!!!!!!!!!)
> > >
> > > if this is true:
> > >
> > >
> > > I think CCIE Lab is now is as trivial as CCNA,CCNP,MCSE, and what ever
> > > exam
> > > that u can find thier dumps out there.
> > >
> > > somebody with no knowledge can now be certified as CCIE.
> > >
> > > IMHO,what keep glory of CCIE is now gone ,now people can dump this exam
> > as
> > > others.
> > >
> > > I don't wanna disappoint u but I completely lost and pretty hopeless at
> > > this
> > > moment and feel what we spent our time on it is now not as valuable as
> > > before.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cyrus
> > >
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