From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Oct 18 2007 - 22:58:46 ART
DR,
When they put every scenario in their worbooks... it
really does not leave out the possiblity that one
might come across a similar scenario in either another
workbook or even the lab.
The possibilities are finite as Brain MaGahan stated
previously...
But you know this already...
I mean how many ways are there to configure
etherchannel?
--- darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com> wrote:
> IEs switching in v 4 is pretty kick ass (Brian, free
> stuff over here for
> that plug!). Sometimes they give you all configs,
> sometimes you are forced
> to draw a painful Layer 2 diagram out to figure
> stuff out. Sometimes I
> ponder whether the Brians are psychic, or possibly
> made a deal with satan to
> know how to put the "right" switching in their
> workbooks to best prepare you
> for the lab.
>
> DR
>
> On 10/18/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Good point.
> >
> > I'm just going through the first couple of labs in
> > version 4 and have not yet made that distinction
> yet.
> >
> > I did recall that being an issue from about
> version 2,
> > I think, when I had went to NMC's bootcamp, and
> took
> > me a bit to overcome since I was considerably
> weaker
> > with switching at the time (about lethargic), and
> used
> > the chart as a "crutch" and when it was removed...
> I
> > trembled and fell a bit - but that was a reference
> to
> > a past event from about 2 years ago and may not
> > represent the current product at all.
> >
> > The current product is much improved by the way.
> I'm
> > impressed that each lab appears to have nearly 100
> > pages more or less of very well written and easily
> > understood descriptions of exactly what is
> happeing in
> > each lab.
> >
> > And I'll tell you another thing, and this is
> premature
> > since I'm only on the third one and there are at
> least
> > 7 available at the moment, those COD's that you
> guys
> > have taken the time to create... are the best
> thing
> > since sliced bread.
> >
> > I watch so many questions get asked over the years
> > hear on GS, you know the how or why, etc. Why
> this
> > solution versus these other 2 or 3... And you
> guys
> > hit PAYDIRT... with the COD. I was surprised at
> how
> > much you packed in and did so, incredibly
> concisely
> > too.
> >
> > The product is FANTASTIC! I understand that
> others
> > are following this trend. The pricing is great
> and
> > the value is there...
> >
> > Talk about taking a handful of labs, say just labs
> 1-5
> > or 1-7 and just mastering them. Know the why/why
> not
> > and taking the time to enjoy the mastery of some
> of
> > the more complex issues discussed in each lab.
> >
> > The COD's allow one to do this, verus spending a
> lot
> > of time second guessing solutions - happens alot
> on
> > this list.
> >
> > So 100 pages or so of descriptions and breakdown
> and
> > then a carefully worded COD... that spots the
> > issues...
> >
> > Kewl idea brought to life and masterfully
> executed.
> >
> >
> > --- Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Darby,
> > > In version 4 of the IEWB Vol 2 Workbook there
> > > isn't a "style" to how
> > > the VLANs are given. There was a "style" in
> version
> > > 3 to how things
> > > were done but in version 4 you will find that
> there
> > > are many "things"
> > > done differently between the labs. Sometimes
> you
> > > get the VLAN
> > > information in a table, sometimes through the
> output
> > > of various show
> > > commands, sometimes you are asked to determine
> the
> > > VLANs needed by
> > > referencing the diagram and finally sometimes
> they
> > > are already done for
> > > you in the initial configurations.
> > >
> > > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210
> (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> > > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> > >
> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> > >
> > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > Subject: Re: IEWB sample lab - switching
> approach
> > > Date: Wed, October 17, 2007 21:08
> > > From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > > I would not fall in love with any vendor's
> style
> > > of
> > > > how they depict the VLAN's given.
> > > >
> > > > Since you never know what you may be given as
> (an)
> > > > exhibit(s) and you never know what may be
> asked
> > > later
> > > > that may not appear in the initial given
> > > exhibit(s)
> > > > anyway.
> > > >
> > > > I'd almost recommend just looking at a given
> > > diagram
> > > > and then making my own table and diagrams from
> > > that.
> > > >
> > > > Then, I'd read the lab tasks given and ensure
> that
> > > > there are no other tasks that modify, add, or
> > > remove
> > > > anything from the initial given materials and
> go
> > > from
> > > > there.
> > > >
> > > > I recall going to my first NMC Bootcamp... and
> I
> > > was
> > > > used to IE's charts... kicked me into lala
> trying
> > > to
> > > > get used from one to the other style.
> Realtime.
> > > >
> > > > But it made me think differently too. And Bob
> > > > Sinclair will tell you first thing... that
> Switch
> > > > diagram and color codes (vlan = color) real
> > > quickly...
> > > >
> > > > Hard to digest at first for some like me...
> > > >
> > > > Get used to seeing them anyway they can be
> thrown
> > > at
> > > > you and quckly get used to asking yourself
> what
> > > they
> > > > are doing.
> > > >
> > > > Ask yourself, where's the root bridge... of
> each
> > > > spanning-tree instance. Is it where you want
> it?
> > > >
> > > > Lots of stuff one needs to pay attention too
> and
> > > all
> > > > at the same time.
> > > >
> > > > You'll get used to it after a while.
> > > >
> > > > But that diagram will become as important as
> your
> > > L3
> > > > to some folks... especially later in the lab
> > > if/when
> > > > you find yourself troubleshooting something
> you
> > > > thought you resolved earlier in the morning.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- shiran guez <shiranp3@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I think the key to understand how the
> logical
> > > > > topology work is to know the
> > > > > Physical topology so I would draw that
> first,
> > > then
> > > > > if the logical topology
> > > > > is not already given to you then I would
> draw it
> > > to
> > > > > but I would not delay on
> > > > > that for ever.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vlan Table is also a key element as if you
> want
> > > to
> > > > > be quick and know
> > > > > problems before they start then you need it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note: some time its just as easy as it look
> but
> > > for
> > > > > training I would
> > > > > practice worst case so in the lab I would
> not be
> > > > > tackled due to a hard
> > > > > looking topology.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10/15/07, CCIE.LAB <ccie.lab@verizon.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On doing the sample labs, what is the
> > > recommended
> > > > > approach on the CAT
> > > > > > Switching sections.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do I need to draw out the switch topology
> or
> > > is it
> > > > > just as easy as it
> > > > > > looks
> > > > > > by configuring what's in the vlan tables
> > > > > > and then configure the appropriate trunks
> in
> > > the
> > > > > trunk table?
> > > > > > Does the switch config come into play
> > > elsewhere in
> > > > > the lab that I should
> > > > > > draw
> > > > > > it out?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thnks
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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