From: joshua lauer (jslauer@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Dec 07 2007 - 22:42:00 ART
still dont know what any of those feel like :) guess I dont qualify for the job ! bagging groceries is it for me :)
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> To: swm@emanon.com
> CC: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: I know this CCIE who wouldn't know a packet if it hit him in the ass! ~CCIE Intervie
> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:29:03 +0000
> From: gary.duncanson@googlemail.com
>
> Rhino packets are much worse :)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Morris"
> To: "'joshua lauer'" ; "'Scott Vermillion'"
> ; "'Jian Gu'" ; "'Gary
> Duncanson'"
> Cc: "'Darren Johnson'" ;
> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [SPAM]Re: I know this CCIE who wouldn't know a packet if it hit
> him in the ass! ~CCIE Intervie
>
>
>> You could always look at the interviewer and exclaim "Ten minutes to Judge
>> Wapner". :)
>>
>> I bet you'd know if a jumbo packet hit you in the ass.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> joshua lauer
>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 9:08 AM
>> To: Scott Vermillion; 'Jian Gu'; 'Gary Duncanson'
>> Cc: 'Darren Johnson'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: [SPAM]Re: I know this CCIE who wouldn't know a packet if it
>> hit
>> him in the ass! ~CCIE Intervie
>>
>> I'm not sure if I would know if a packet hit me in the ass. I'm not sure I
>> would want to either...what exactly does a "packet hitting me in the ass"
>> entail?
>>
>> I know many CCIE's who have "lost the edge" but is being an encyclopedia
>> of
>> knowledge necessary to the job? the interview should be tailored for the
>> job
>> being hired for, not to see if the person is rainman.
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com
>>> To: guxiaojian@gmail.com; gary.duncanson@googlemail.com
>>> CC: dazza_johnson@yahoo.co.uk; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: [SPAM]Re: I know this CCIE who wouldn't know a packet if
>>> it
>> hit him in the ass! ~CCIE Interview Qs~
>>> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:41:28 -0700
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> Certainly it's great to know what the process would be sans CEF/MLS,
>>> but in modern switching architectures, we aren't actually doing these
>>> lookups
>> based
>>> on flows or packet/frame arrival, right? My studies of CEF for the
>>> written caused me to look a little more deeply into this than I ever
>>> had
>> previously.
>>> What I recall (and what Joe's article seems to confirm) is that
>>> information populated into the RIB gets translated into a FIB by CEF.
>>> Then the adjacency table actually caches the full L2 header for each
>>> and every entry in the FIB.
>>>
>>> So before the first flow ever takes place, we've already
>>> pre-calculated not only the outgoing interface for every L3
>>> destination, we've also cached the outbound L2 header. This all gets
>>> pushed down to ASICs that essentially match on bit patterns. In other
>>> words, both L2 and L3 are switched down in hardware and all of this is
>>> set up at system boot time. Then the RP simply pushes changes in the RIB
>> over to CEF, which maintains the FIB.
>>>
>>> Now where I get a bit fuzzy is how QoS policy and that sort of thing
>>> gets inserted into the mix. I'm not a chip designer and I don't aspire
>>> to
>> be.
>>> I'm willing to take some things on faith, and this is probably one
>>> such thing.
>>>
>>> And I understand you too Darren! A host or another router viewing the
>> local
>>> box in question as the next hop would perform L2 encapsulation with
>>> the destination MAC set to that of this local box. But I still think
>>> that, due to CEF, in such a case we're still just dealing with a L3
>>> switching operation vs. a L2 switching operation.
>>>
>>> Right?
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of
>> Jian
>>> Gu
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 2:12 PM
>>> To: Gary Duncanson
>>> Cc: Darren Johnson; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: I know this CCIE who wouldn't know a packet if
>>> it
>> hit
>>> him in the ass! ~CCIE Interview Qs~
>>>
>>> Assuming MACs are leaned and ARPs are all resolved.
>>>
>>> When a frame comes in, router/switch will do both L2 and L3 lookup at
>>> the same time, and combine the result to make the final decision. If
>> destination
>>> MAC is router, then L2 lookup will not yield something meaningful,
>>> L3 lookup will come out with MAC re-write information for nexthop for
>>> destination IP, frame will then be routed. If destination MAC is not
>> router,
>>> this MAC must be in the vlan's dynamic MAC table, in this case, L2
>>> lookup will yield outgoing port, L3 lookup better come with the same
>>> result, this frame will be L2 switched.
>>>
>>> Jian
>>>
>>> On Dec 6, 2007 12:40 PM, Gary Duncanson
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Daz,
>>>>
>>>> Yeah. Well it's getting later here in GB.
>>>>
>>>> Packet comes in..
>>>>
>>>> If the destination MAC address is that of the L3 switch, then it
>>>> knows about it, doesn't it just switch it out the right interface?
>>>>
>>>> If unknown..what about ARP or routing?
>>>>
>>>> Im sure you know what you mean :-)
>>>>
>>>> Gaz
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Darren Johnson"
>>>> To: "'Gary Duncanson'"
>>>> Cc:
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 8:33 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: [SPAM]Re: I know this CCIE who wouldn't know a packet
>>>> if it hit him in the ass! ~CCIE Interview Qs~
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Gaz, starting to like our late night chats ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> My point was that if the destination MAC address is that of the L3
>>>> switch,
>>>>> it is to be routed. If it isn't and the receiving interface is L2
>>>>> then
>>>> it
>>>>> is
>>>>> switched/bridged.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm, not sure if Im making myself clear. I know what I mean......
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Daz
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:gary.duncanson@googlemail.com]
>>>>> Sent: 06 December 2007 19:50
>>>>> To: Darren Johnson
>>>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>>> Subject: [SPAM]Re: I know this CCIE who wouldn't know a packet if
>>>>> it
>> hit
>>>>> him
>>>>> in the ass! ~CCIE Interview Qs~
>>>>>
>>>>> Would that not be destination MAC known by the L3 switch
>>>>> (switched) as opposed to unknown (routed)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it not switched instead of bridged ;) What about those damn ASICs?
>> I
>>>>> have chatted offline with a guru who suspects CEF is the route of
>>>>> the
>>>> evil
>>>>> these days (no pun intended) as opposed to the MLS-SE, MLS-RP,
>>>>> MLSP
>>>> stuff
>>>>> and he may comment soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> You know who you are ;)
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Darren Johnson"
>>>>> To: "'Gary Duncanson'" ; "'Jian Gu'"
>>>>>
>>>>> Cc:
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:28 PM
>>>>> Subject: RE: I know this CCIE who wouldn't know a packet if it hit
>>>>> him
>>>> in
>>>>> the ass! ~CCIE Interview Qs~
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> IMHO, if the destination MAC is owned by the L3 switch, then it
>>>>>> needs
>>>> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> routed. If the destination MAC is not owned by the L3 switch, it
>>>>>> can either bridge it (if the device is located on another
>>>>>> interface) or drop it
>>>> (if
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> device is located on the same interface the frame was received on).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dazzler
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>> Of
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>> Duncanson
>>>>>> Sent: 06 December 2007 17:51
>>>>>> To: Jian Gu
>>>>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: I know this CCIE who wouldn't know a packet if it
>>>>>> hit him
>>>> in
>>>>>> the ass! ~CCIE Interview Qs~
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like the route once switch many thing to me from MLS
>>>>>> studies..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Jian Gu"
>>>>>> To: "Sohail Nedaria"
>>>>>> Cc: "ccie ccie" ; "Narbik Kocharians"
>>>>>> ; "Cisco certification"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 6:54 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: I know this CCIE who wouldn't know a packet if it
>>>>>> hit him
>>>> in
>>>>>> the ass! ~CCIE Interview Qs~
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, here is one I like,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How does a L3 switch router know when to L2 switch an incoming
>>>>>>> frame
>>>> and
>>>>>>> when to L3 switch an incoming frame?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2007 10:00 PM, Sohail Nedaria
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Guys
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you guys provide me CCIE Interview questions
>>>>>>>> so i
>>>> can
>>>>>>>> also prepare my self well before i take on any interview.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> Suhail
>>>>>>>> CCIE#19337
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/6/07, ccie ccie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am going off bit, but like to share something with you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I gave lots of interview include CISCO, Google, Yahoo......no
>>>>>>>>> end
>> &
>>>> i
>>>>>>>> gave
>>>>>>>>> with out any interest to join but to test myself :). I gave
>>>>>>>>> interview
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> small to big organization & i found you can't impress the
>>>> interviewer
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>> by your techniqual knowledge.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thing to impress them as per my understanding are as.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. Good Techniqual Approach
>>>>>>>>> 2. If you dont know say you dont know this time, but you will
>> learn
>>>> &
>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>> the answer.
>>>>>>>>> 3. Good troubleshooting approach (In network always answer
>>>>>>>>> withh
>>>>>>>> refrance
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> OSI layer)
>>>>>>>>> 4. Listen interviewer carefully take own time to think &
>>>>>>>>> answer 5. Never underestimate interviewer who knows what the
>>>>>>>>> other side person is.
>>>>>>>>> 6. Respect interviwer & appreciate him for some good question.
>>>>>>>>> 7. Before go to the interview do your study about the
>> oganization.
>>>>>>>>> 8. Last be not least. Give an impression that you respect the
>>>>>>>> organization
>>>>>>>>> lot, you will love to work for them, you will give longer
>>>> association
>>>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> placement in organization will contributing lot to generate
>>>> revenue.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dont forget final interview is always by the management people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/6/07, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Darth, Are you a CCIE? I don't see your number. But what
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>> you
>>>>>>>> hate
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> be asked in the interview? that's the question i would ask.
>>>>>>>>>> I would ask him/her what are your weak points and what are
>>>>>>>>>> your strong points. Go from there.
>>>>>>>>>> Talk to him/her about some of the problems that your firm
>>>>>>>>>> had
>> and
>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>> what the person responds, but don't expect the poor CCIE to
>> solve
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> in a second. But he/she should have an idea as to where to
>>>>>>>>>> look, from
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> you should know the depth of his/her knowledge.
>>>>>>>>>> If you or the interviewer is experienced enough, the second
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>> opens his/her mouth, you should know the depth of his
>> knowledge.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But once again, CCIEs are not gods, they can have a bad day
>>>>>>>>>> as well.
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> personally like to focus on the person's attitude and
>>>> personality,
>>>>>>>>>> obviously
>>>>>>>>>> he/she got the CCIE cert, which means that the person
>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>> knows
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> knew
>>>>>>>>>> the stuff and can easily pick up the info.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My 2 Cent.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/5/07, darth router wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ok guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> there was a thread a while back talking about dumbass
>>>>>>>>>>> CCIE's.
>>>> As
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> prefer
>>>>>>>>>>> not to be the dumbest CCIE on the planet, help me out
>>>>>>>>>>> with questions
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> you might ask a CCIE candidate in an interview. I have
>>>>>>>>>>> had
>> some
>>>>>>>> brutal
>>>>>>>>>>> interviews since I became IE. Honestly the questions seem
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>> bit
>>>>>>>> basic
>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>> far, but I have had some really in depth questions about
>>>>>>>>> spanning-tree,
>>>>>>>>>>> troubleshootin real world EIGRP scenarios, etc.. that
>>>>>>>>>>> really caught
>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>> guard. It's not that I could not have solved these
>>>>>>>>>>> issues, had
>>>> I
>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>> logged into the routers, its explaining things we take
>>>>>>>>>>> for granted
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> tough, especially in interviews. It seems like a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>> people are amazed that a CCIE couldn't answer this or
>>>>>>>>>>> that question.
>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I am trying to come up with a knowledge
>> maintanance
>>>>>>>> plan,
>>>>>>>>>>> like reading a chapter in the exam cert guide every week.
>>>>>>>>>>> The tasks
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> do not do on a daily basis fade quickly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have of late been going way back to basics, reading up
>>>>>>>>>>> on TCP/IP
>>>>>>>>>> flows,
>>>>>>>>>>> Ethernet, ARP, looking at packet sniffing traces, etc..
>> Someone
>>>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>>> mention
>>>>>>>>>>> of the CAM table populating entries, so I read up on that
>> too.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I certainly don't know everything, but I would love to.
>>>>>>>>>>> Care
>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>> example questions you might ask a CCIE in an interview,
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> technologies
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> would expect to have him/her to have down pat?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> DR
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>>>>>>>>> CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security) CCSI# 30832
>>>>>>>>>> www.MicronicsTraining.com Sr. Technical Instructor
>>>>>>>>>> www.Net-WorkBooks.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>> Suhail.U.Nedaria
>>>>>>>> 9833256425
>>>>>>>> CCIE# 19337.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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