From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Wed Jan 30 2008 - 15:14:16 ARST
Tony,
Whatever labbook you go for be sure to use on rich on technology labs. I use
IPexpert at the moment and it's fine so far. I can't speak about the other
vendors..yet. There are only so many hours in a day.
Regards
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Varriale" <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com>
To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>; "'Darby Weaver'"
<darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:54 PM
Subject: RE: r/s material
> Any chance we can stay on topic here? Look at the start if you have any
> questions regarding this.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Gary
> Duncanson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:48 AM
> To: Darby Weaver
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: r/s material
>
> I know americans like to say 'bottom line' a lot as well as 'let me tell
> you
>
> something'..
>
> The 'bottom line' is if you cant do all the basics very well you are
> knackered where you throw everything together. This can include getting
> OSPF
>
> working over frame and understanding split horizon hassles with other
> IGPs.
>
> Small labs work and hours pummeling away at them. Just a few routers and a
> couple of switches provides fun for all the family. Solie is good. Duggan
> still good for later on. Cisco Press books and CCO provide lots of small
> scale situations to master in terms of how stuff works and getting it to
> work.
>
> As for bigger labs..understand what you are being asked to do, know a few
> ways to do it, choose the *correct* way (ask proctor), do it..verify it
> works doesn't break something else.
>
> And be able to do all the above in a timely fashion. It takes lots of
> understanding (books and worked examples on equipment, observation) and
> practice.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> To: "Santi" <ccie@texas.net>; "'Tony Varriale'"
> <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com>
> Cc: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:05 PM
> Subject: RE: r/s material
>
>
>> Exactly.
>>
>> One should learn technology by technology even and
>> especially when trying and before trying multiprotocol
>> labs.
>>
>> Let's face it, in every lab we face, the very first
>> thing we must do is ensure that a given protocol works
>> and works well and as expected to.
>>
>> If we jump right into multiprotocol labs, particularly
>> those offered by our vendors, then we are kind of like
>> jumping into World War Three without the benefit of
>> attending marksmanship training first. Seriously
>> since the bullets are flying in all directions and all
>> at once.
>>
>> Mastering each topic is probably the single-most
>> fastest and most efficient way to master the CCIE lab
>> and yes... hindsight is 20/20 - even though, I've been
>> saying this for a while and not living up to it as
>> well in some cases.
>>
>> But looking over products like Soup To Nuts and
>> Advanced Technology Labs and using such products with
>> COD/VOD Training and all of this at the same time with
>> select Cisco Press books and the DOC CD close at
>> hand... is very valuable.
>>
>> If while doing it, one has a chance to turn on debug
>> and then turn on a feature and watch the fireworks,
>> then one learns a measure faster and knows "exactly"
>> what happened.
>>
>> But then hey... where would we be without people
>> asking questions who for some reason have not seemed
>> to lab it in the first place.
>>
>>
>> --- Santi <ccie@texas.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Good Material? There is Narbik Kocharians, at
>>> http://www.net-workbooks.com/, and you can ping him
>>> at narbikk@gmail.com ,
>>> if you have any questions. Internetwork Experts is
>>> also excellent. I don't
>>> have first hand experience with IPExperts, but I
>>> know several people that
>>> believe that Scott Morris' material is very good.
>>>
>>> Personally, I work with Narbik's stuff most of the
>>> time and IE, once in a
>>> while. Narbik's material is broken down by
>>> technology, with explanations.
>>>
>>> Santi
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
>>> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Tony
>>> Varriale
>>> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 5:16 PM
>>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: r/s material
>>>
>>> Would anyone offer their opinion on r/s lab
>>> workbooks? I know Brad and have
>>> purchased some products in the past but would even
>>> appreciate an opinion on
>>> his newer stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
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