From: Joe Rinehart (jjrinehart@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Feb 01 2008 - 13:47:15 ARST
All good points, its true in the voice realm also...
A good example was a field engineer I worked with that was working on his
CCIE Voice. We did a CME installation and he preferred to use a routed port
from the CME router to the L3 switch. The customer wanted to do paging
which would have forced them to get the enhanced image instead of the
standard image. Had we used a trunked port it would not have mattered...
Joe Rinehart
MBA, CCIE #14256, CCNP/DP/VP
Application Sales Consultant
Northwest Region
Nexus IS, Inc.
www.nexusis.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Duncanson
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:30 AM
To: Santi
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Multiple IEs
Certainly agree with that.
A have found lot of folks in security are really lacking in networking
fundamentals surprisingly. Unlike yourself I think a lot of people just
rapidly moved into it because it was seen as being the cool thing to do. A
recall asking a security specialist some years back if vlans were employed
to provide security on a particular network. He replied 'oh no our security
works at layer 2'
Go figure.
There are a myriad of things to learn concerning network security that go
way beyond the stock stuff many security consultants espouse to know
something about. DAI is just one of them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Santi" <ccie@texas.net>
To: "'Paul Dardinski'" <pauld@marshallcomm.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 2:51 AM
Subject: RE: Multiple IEs
>I would agree with that. Additionally, going for another might help to
> round out your CCIE specialty. For instance, busting my butt for the CCIE
> R&S would help me to better understand the underlying network, traffic and
> flows when I wish to really tear up security. I have been in the security
> field for 8 years now and still learning a lot. However, when I worked
> with
> a couple of engineers that had their CCIE R&S, this really forced me to
> step
> up and learn more about the network. In fact, they created IE level
> problems
> for me to solve and that had to be integrated into a security solution.
> This
> forced to learn about the various protocols and technologies much more
> deeply.
>
> So, since I really wanted to be more than just someone with a single CCIE
> in
> security, I also wanted to assure myself that I had more than just a CCNP
> level of expertise in networks. After working with CCIE R&S engineers, I
> quickly learned that there was much more to the network which is paramount
> to a real solid security design. So, I am studying for the IE R&S before
> obtaining the IE Security.
>
> I hope this is a good plan.
>
> Santi
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Paul
> Dardinski
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 8:51 PM
> To: EdmondsSG@aol.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Multiple IEs
>
> I think it is because in the first one we all get kind of "weird" and
> pretty much become study addicts:)
>
> PD (#16842)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> EdmondsSG@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:20 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Multiple IEs
>
> Why do so many people get their first IE, then immediately go for a
> second
> (SP/VOICE/SECURITY)?
>
> Is almost like they get the IE in say R/S and think .. thats it ..I know
> it
> all now - I can move on to something else.
>
> But it takes years to become a true 'EXPERT' in any field - so dont let
> the
> certifications grandiose title fool ya!
>
> Build on what you have learnt through exam study - become a true expert
> -
> and you will be a man my son ..
>
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