From: Muhammad Nasim (muhammad.nasim@gmail.com)
Date: Sat Feb 16 2008 - 18:40:12 ARST
ok ok guys please calm down all,
I am not going to use IPEXPERT for my voice preparation (in future).
Is it ok now : )
On 15/02/2008, CCIE RS <cciers@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
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> On one side you agree your imperfections and on the other side you shun
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> the criticism of your imperfections as untrue and outrageous, there is a
> duality here. I can understand why you are doing it, this is your job and
> the
> market for CCIE VOICE training is growing very much$$$$$. Dont forget now
> other vendors are also comming forward for training CCIE VOICE.
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> If you had helped Mr Jatinder correctly I am sure he would not have posted
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> IPEXPERT, Did he post on Tarun Pahuja or Brad? Also note that he has not
> complained on Mr Scott Morris. He has specifically complained on the voice
> trainers and probably even on the "$ale$ guy" who keep shunning him down.
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> ANYBODY WHO IS PREPARING FOR CCIE VOICE KNOWS THAT IPEXPERT WORKBOOK IS
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> EASIEST WORKBOOK AND CANT REALLY HELP YOU PASS THE EXAM IN THE CURRENT
> STANDARDS.
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> The other top vendors for ccie voice are as follows.
> 1. http://voicebootcamp.com/
> 2. http://internetworkexpert.com
> 3. http://ccbootcamp.com
> 4. http://iementor.com (workbook)
> 5. http://netmetric-solutions.com (Asia)
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> > From: mbrooks@ipexpert.com> To: cciers@hotmail.co.uk> Subject: Re:
> Finally
> Pass Voice Lab on first attempt> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:27:29 -0500>
> CC:
> ccielab@groupstudy.com; jatinder.p.singh@bt.com> > Hi, Mark.> > Thanks for
> posting your concern. Perhaps others were thinking the > same, so I will
> quickly reply to all.> > Frankly, I would prefer *not* to have to engage
> on
> this list. You are > right; it is for CCIE candidates and, while you might
> find that > buddying up to a "sales guy" running a training company could
> be a
> > great help to your studies, that is not the purpose if this list.> > The
> fact is, I have been given permission by Paul Borghese (the owner > of
> Group
> Study) to engage in these kinds of conversations. As I have > stated many
> times, it is not our intent or desire to stomp out any > negative comments
> about IPexpert. We are not perfect, so part of doing > business is that
> there
> will be criticism from time to time. That's OK. > The trouble arises with
> posts like the one that started this thread, > which are so untrue and
> outrageous that it is reasonable to defend the > correct position.> > In
> closing, I encourage you to search the archives for any posts by > me. I
> think
> you will find that I have never abused the system. You > will also find
> plenty
> of constructive criticism with no reply from > me. ;-)> > Feel free to
> verify
> my comments with Paul as well.> > With that, I apologize for the
> distraction
> and wish all of you great > success with your CCIE pursuit.> > --> Matt
> Brooks> Vice President - IPexpert, Inc.> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 x101>
> Mailto: mbrooks@ipexpert.com> > > > On Feb 14, 2008, at 2:24 AM, CCIE RS
> <cciers@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:> > > has Matt Brooks passed his CCIE written
> to
> be in this forum? does he > > have a Lab date for the main lab exam?> > is
> he
> not a sales type of guy from IPEXPERT? Can this forum allow > > sales
> people?
> If so I hope the team from Internetworkexpert joins as > > they are
> excellent
> in what they do. (Kady, Mike, Misty..etc)> > SORRY IF I AM WRONG.> >> >> >
> Regards> > mark> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Date: Wed,
> 13
> Feb 2008 13:00:04 -0500> > > From: mbrooks@ipexpert.com> > > To:
> ccielab@groupstudy.com> > > Subject: Re: FW: Finally Pass Voice Lab on
> first
> attempt> > > CC: jatinder.p.singh@bt.com> > >> > > JP,> > >> > > First, I
> would like to congratulate you on your success. Even in > > light of> > >
> your
> review of IPexpert, I believe that you gained some benefit > > from our> >
> >
> products, courses and support. For that, I am pleased to have been > > a
> part
> of> > > your success.> > >> > > It is good to see that Brad and his team
> were
> able to help you as > > well. I am> > > pleased to say that we have
> developed
> a great relationship with the> > > CCbootcamp staff. Brad runs a fine
> operation and is generous with > > his time> > > and desire to help CCIE
> candidates.> > >> > > I am, however, disappointed that your review did not
> acknowledge > > the many> > > phone calls and emails that our team engaged
> with you, which > > certainly went> > > well outside our "normal" level of
> support. I suppose it is true > > in business> > > that "you can't please
> all
> the people all the time," but we will > > continue> > > trying to assist
> other
> CCIE Voice candidates...> > >> > > ----------------> > > On February 8th
> 2008
> I passed my CCIE Voice Lab in RTP. I took the > > IPexpert> > > 10 day
> boot
> camp in Richardson TX, and I can't express enough how > > much this> > >
> helped me to pass. I have been working with IPT for over 6 years > > and
> have>
> > > done Call Manager installs all the way back to the version 3.0, > >
> but
> still> > > picked up a wealth of new knowledge at this boot camp that if I
> > >
> hadn't had I> > > would not have passed.> > >> > > Vik's help was amazing
> and
> I couldn't come up with any questions > > to stump> > > him. If I had a
> question on any of the technology he always had an > > answer> > > for me.
> IPexpert's Voice boot camp and practice materials are > > second to> > >
> none.
> Had I not gone to the boot camp I don't feel like I would > > have passed>
> > >
> the lab. I would also like to say the proctor lab equipment is > > great,
> and
> I> > > used it exclusively to study for the lab at home since I could not
> > >
> afford to> > > buy my own lab.> > >> > > Sincerely,> > >> > > Allen
> Hartman> >
> > CCIE #11381 (Voice, R&S)> > >> > > ----------------> > >> > > I passed
> on
> January 29, 2008. One of my friend recommended > > IPexpert's CCIE> > >
> Bootcamp as a good way to prepare for the lab. The bootcamp was > >
> really> >
> > helpful in terms of measuring your own readiness to take the test. > > I
> would> > > definitely recommend to sign-up for this bootcamp BEFORE you
> even >
> > sign up> > > for the real lab attempt. You may find out that you are not
> ready > > or there> > > are many other/better strategies you could use to
> give
> you a > > better chance> > > at passing the lab.> > >> > > Mark Snow was
> very
> helpful/knowledgeable and provided useful > > insights about> > > things
> to
> look out for during the test. I also ordered the > > workbook from> > >
> IPexpert which I used to do time trials for the real test.> > >> > > I
> guess I
> am really proud that I was able to pass this test more > > than 10> > >
> years
> after I passed my first R&S CCIE. Big thumbs up for IPexpert!> > >> > >
> Andras
> Arato> > > CCIE #3297 (Voice, R&S)> > >> > > ----------------> > >> > > I
> would like to express my gratitude for the training that I > > received
> from>
> > > IPexpert in preparing for my Voice CCIE lab. I used the Voice > >
> Proctor
> Guide> > > to gain a solid foundation of the possible testable topics in
> the >
> > Voice CCIE> > > lab, and then partook of the 5 day lab experience boot
> camp
> taught > > by Vik> > > Malhi roughly one month before I sat for the exam.
> I
> was thoroughly> > > impressed with Vik's knowledge, and a few times during
> the
> course > > my lab> > > partner and I would bet on how quickly Vik would
> know
> the answers > > to our> > > questions before we finished the questioning
> sentence.> > >> > > In addition, during the month after my bootcamp and
> before
> my lab > > practical,> > > I posed many questions to the online forum that
> Mark Snow would > > respond too.> > > Mark's explanations were clear and
> concise and he went above and > > beyond in> > > many situations to make
> sure
> I understood the material. I am happy > > to report> > > that on January
> 22nd
> of 2008, I passed the Voice lab and feel > > strongly that> > > IPexpert
> was a
> contributing factor.> > >> > > However, I would also like to make the
> point
> that IPexpert does > > not train> > > people to pass the CCIE Lab exam. To
> the
> contrary, IPexpert's > > training> > > regiment ensures that each
> individual
> actually understands the > > technology> > > and truly becomes a better
> engineer.> > >> > > In much appreciation,> > >> > > Mike Schultz> > > CCIE
> (R&S, Voice) #7935> > >> > > ----------------> > > IPexpert was
> recommended to
> me by a local Cisco SE, who recently > > took a boot> > > camp, and by a
> coworker who used the lab guide to pass his Voice > > lab last> > > year.
> I
> worked through several of the exercises in the workbook > > before> > >
> taking
> the boot camp.> > >> > > The boot camp really helped me understand several
> critical areas > > much better> > > and helped me develop a strategy for
> the
> lab. After the boot camp > > I worked> > > through all of the labs in the
> workbook and the new e-books using > > the> > > Proctor Labs online racks.
> Working through all of the labs helped > > me learn> > > even more and
> increased my speed.> > >> > > After completing the workbook and the
> e-books I
> felt ready for the > > lab and> > > was not nervous on test day. Because
> of
> all the hard work and > > preparation I> > > was able to pass the Voice
> lab on
> my first attempt. This was not > > easy and> > > required many hours of
> study.
> You cannot just go to a boot camp > > and expect> > > to pass, but with
> hard
> work and IPexpert products you can pass the > > lab.> > >> > > The most
> important part of the whole experience of studying for > > and passing> >
> >
> the voice lab was that I greatly expanded my voice knowledge, > > which
> will>
> > > help me provide better service to my customers.> > >> > > Hal White,
> CCIE
> (R&S, Voice) #12507> > >> > > ----------------> > >> > > Since my first
> CCIE
> Routing & Switching achieved in 2003, I have > > been used> > > IPexpert
> workbook. I practiced the complete whole book including the> > >
> break-down
> practice and one-day mock labs. It helped me a lot to > > pass the> > >
> R&S
> lab in 2 attempts. The workbook covered much wider scope than > > the
> real> >
> > lab, and it was based on the 9-routers case scenarios (the real > > lab
> has
> only> > > 6 routers). Which helped me a lot to keep the confidence till
> the >
> > end to> > > complete the R&S CCIE lab within 4 hours. Yes, 4 hours only.
> So
> I > > could have> > > another 4 hours to fully test the lab one by one.> >
> >>
> > > Before I started my CCIE Voice study, I researched on which > >
> workbook
> in the> > > market is the best that could fit me to practice the hands-on
> > >
> experience,> > > since I didn't have much hands-on, regardless I was a
> CCVP. I
> am > > so far very> > > happy with the decision to choose the IPExpert
> workbook. It > > covered a lot of> > > major topics for the section
> practice
> on CallManager, Unity, IPCC, > > Fax, GW,> > > GK and so forth. It took me
> 3
> attempts to pass Voice CCIE in exact > > one year.> > > The workbook,
> again,
> helped me prepared more stuff than the real > > lab asked> > > for. So I
> could
> feel confidence everytime sit inside the real lab. > > The first> > > two
> attempts were not really bad, and I felt I was closer and > > closer to
> the> >
> > final success. And eventually I nailed it down on the 3rd attempt. > >
> It
> was> > > again, in the first 4.5 hours I completed the whole lab, and
> spent >
> > the rest> > > of time for testing and troubleshooting.> > >> > >
> IPExpert
> had the first-class of CCIE Voice rack rental. I tried a > > couple> > >
> sessions before the final exam during the Christmas and New Year > >
> holiday>
> > > season. Their after-hour support was phenomenal. It was instant and> >
> >
> efficient. I was very impressive with the effort of the support > > team,
> since> > > they were just like standing beside you and reply to you
> through >
> > the email> > > and fix the issue very quickly. Also, IPexpert has their
> own
> > > mailing list,> > > in addition to their online CCIE forum, that I
> could
> post my > > questions and> > > get the answer instantly from both
> instructors
> and other CCIE > > candidates> > > around the world.> > >> > > I would
> certainly recommend IPexpert products to those future > > CCIEs. Welcome>
> > >
> to the club.> > >> > > Thank you again IPexpert.> > >> > > Weihui Ted
> Meng,
> CCIE #12621> > >> > > ----------------> > >> > >
> http://www.ipexpert.com/index.cfm/Testimonials> > > --> > > Matt Brooks> >
> >
> Vice President - IPexpert, Inc.> > > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 x101> > >
> Mailto: mbrooks@ipexpert.com> > >> > >> > >> > > > Subject: Finally Pass
> Voice
> Lab on first attempt> > > > > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:17:33 +0000> > > >
> >
> From: jatinder.p.singh@bt.com> > > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com> > > >
> >> >
> > > > Dear All,> > > > >> > > > > Yesterday, I passed my ccie voice lab at
> brussels on my first > > attempt.> > > > > Firstly I would like to thank
> all
> who helped me towards > > achieving this> > > > > goal. Special thanks to
> Tarun pahuja, and the CCBootcamp team > > (Brad) who> > > > > gave me
> personal
> support. Even though I did not buy any of their> > > > > products they
> gave
> their personal contact details and helped > > me when I> > > > > needed
> much
> help.> > > > >> > > > > I started this journey in early 2007, I cleared
> the
> written > > after> > > > > reading all the recommended cisco press books.
> Then
> my company > > supported> > > > > me in buying all the voice lab equipment
> which I setup in my > > office.> > > > > They also approved for me to go
> on a
> bootcamp, and I choose to > > go to the> > > > > IPexpert for 12 days.> >
> > >
> >> > > > > I bought all IPexpert products including COD and spent more
> then> >
> > > > $10,000. However I found their bootcamp demoralizing and > >
> disappointing> > > > > . I was discouraged and told that no one could pass
> the
> lab in > > the> > > > > first attempt. I felt they were hiding things from
> me
> so as to > > prolong> > > > > my studies so as to keep me lingering on..
> Their
> support was > > terrible,> > > > > their workbook had errors, little
> explanations and I found > > myself> > > > > spending hours being
> frustrated
> when things would not work due > > to> > > > > ommisions or things not
> explained properly. As a customer I > > expect a> > > > > teaching product
> to
> be accurate and explain things so as to > > reinforce> > > > > my
> technical
> abilities, but soon I discovered that their > > strategy was> > > > > to
> hide
> things, to make me it difficult instead and to mentally> > > > >
> discourage me
> so that I was guaranteed to fail on first attempt.> > > > >> > > > >
> However I
> kept positive and determined to pass this exam and > > made a> > > > >
> challenge to pass it on my first attempt. I spent the next two > > months>
> > >
> > > off work and studying 15-18 hours per day and working on my > >
> weaknesses.> > > > > I consulted the cisco press books several times until
> I
> was > > comfortable> > > > > with every technology and spent hours
> on-hands
> practising on > > all the> > > > > technologies.> > > > >> > > > > From my
> experience the lab was not as hard as I thought it > > would be. I> > > >
> >
> got back from Brussels today and saw the good news.. now its > > time for
> a> >
> > > > break and some celebration.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks to you
> all.....> >
> > > >> > > > > J P Singh> > > > >> > > > > CCIE (R & S , Voice)> > > > >>
> > >
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