From: Salau, Yemi (yemi.salau@siemens.com)
Date: Tue Mar 11 2008 - 14:42:06 ARST
Valid Points guys, in as much there exist MBAs who earn less than CCIEs,
please also reckon with the fact that there are CCIEs who earn less than
MBAs.
So, it's down to you and your view of what you want ... Be it money or
what you just enjoy and love doing.
Remember the days where CCNP was the main thing, I tell you, there will
be a time when CCIE shall loose the potency it enjoys today. BTW: CCIE
in those days is a certification for the geeks who don't know where else
to get a life. Please don't say I'm been sterotypical, just check the
passing rate these days compared to those days, I mean the
pre-CCIE#10000 era.
Verily, Verily, I say unto you ... There will come a time when another
superdupa Certification will overshadow CCIE, maybe not in the next 10
years, just maybe not in the next 20years.... But a day will surely
come, CCIE will be what CCNP is today, and another qualification will be
what CCIE is today.
Phds and MBAs will stand for life, those don't expire ... As a CCIE, I
attempted arguably one of the most difficult test/exam in CCIE, but I
tell you, it's nothing compared to spending 6 years at MIT trying to get
Phd degree, I respect the fact that CCIEs earn a lot more than the
traditional degrees, but hey, who says life is all about money? I know a
CCIE at work here who hardly sleep and have high blood pressure due to
huge commitment at work. Also, his family is on the edge of divorce, and
he swims in a lot of money ... I mean money. But if you ask him if he is
happy, he will tell you happiness is certainly not what he's
experiencing.
So, some CCIEs earn less than some MBAs/Phds, likewise some MBAs/Phds
earn less than some CCIEs ... That is life, and we all have to move on!
The only positive to me is that CCIE guarantees you number of interviews
which MBA might not.
Many Thanks
Yemi Salau
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From: Dane Newman [mailto:dane.newman@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:05 PM
To: darth router
Cc: Salau, Yemi; nrf; groupstudy; comserv@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: How to Become a CCIE v2
Street smarts vs book smarts argument
CCIE is a practical test where you have to go do it.
MBA is just 2 more years of college.
shrug there are alot more then 20k mba's
If you are looking for money go get your MBA
Just my take on it
Dane
On 3/11/08, darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com> wrote:
CCIE is a higher level knob pushing monkey :)
Honestly guys, my buddy friend is an MBA, and makes
significantly less than
I do. An MBA doesn't necessarily land you an executive job. In
fact, this
might be a stretch, but degrees to me are pretty easy, they just
take time
and busy work, even an
MBA. Half the battle is just showing up for class or doing that
homework (busy work).
The CCIE is by far the hardest test I've ever
done. I'm not dogging traditional school. I have a
bachelors, but they are two completely different animals. The
CCIE to
me was an instant shortcut into a better pay grade.
The degree, with exceptions, that just shows people you were
able to show up
for class and aren't a complete idiot :P
On 3/11/08, Salau, Yemi <yemi.salau@siemens.com> wrote:
>
> Wise talks NRF
>
> At the end of the day, we all need to ask ourselves why we're
going for
> this CCIE of a thing. There is no comparison though with
traditional
> qualifications ie. Phd or even Professorship. I've met people
in my
> career who knows a lot more than most CCIEs.... I'm yet to
meet people
> who knows that Professors at their special areas of interest.
>
> What I'm saying is, the Phd & Prof. World is very parallel to
the CCIE
> side of things, I'm speaking as a CCIE who is one the other
side of the
> road ... So I know what I'm saying. People do CCIEs just for
the fun of
> it, others to guarantee job interviews, some more money,
others more
> respect. But CCIE itself is just the beginning for some
people.
> Whichever way you see CCIE as, it's still very well respected
in the IT
> industry... And with it comes greater responsibility...
However CCIEs
> hardly invent anything in life ... Most Professors do!
>
> I'm not saying CCIE is lower than Phd or otherwise, from my
own first
> hand perspective, I think they are 2 parallel planes that
can't
> intersect on a common ground. Having said that, I still find
it hard to
> believe that there are Phd holders from MIT in the
unemployment
> industry.
>
> Many Thanks
>
>
> Yemi Salau
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of
>
> nrf
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 10:37 AM
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> Subject: Re: How to Become a CCIE v2
>
>
> > Many managers have no idea how tough the CCIE is. But then
again, can
> you
> > blame them? Lately there seems to be an outpouring of posts
on people
>
> > passing
> > the CCIE in 3, or even 2 months. How many people have
completed their
> > Master's degrees in two months? If it was accredited, I'll
bet the
> answer
> > is
> > 0.
>
> Actually, not only do I completely agree with you here, I'll
not only
> call
> you, but also raise you. While managers may not have any idea
how tough
> the
> CCIE is, well, let's be honest guys, how tough is it really,
relative to
>
> other credentials one could earn? Few if any people can earn
a real
> (that
> is, an accredited) master's degree in just 2-3 months, and
certainly
> earning
> a Phd in such a time frame is infeasible for all except
supra-geniuses,
> as
> even Einstein needed over a year to be awarded his. Heck,
since the
> MIT
> PhD was brought up, I know quite a few people who have been
working on
> their
> PhD's at MIT for over 6 years full-time who still haven't
completed the
> degree. To repeat, that's working on the degree FULL-TIME,
which means
> they
> don't have a job (in other words, earning the degree IS their
job).
> Honestly, how many of us would really need 6 years of
full-time study in
>
> order to pass the CCIE? Hence, while I realize that this is
a
> discordant
> position to take, the fact is, the CCIE isn't that weighty of
an
> accomplishment, relative to some of those other credentials.
>
> I've said it before, I'll say it again: what severely weakens
the
> difficulty of the CCIE is the fact that you can simply take it
over and
> over
> and over again until you finally pass. Sure, it costs money,
sure it
> takes
> time, but nevertheless you can just keep taking the test
repeatedly
> until
> you finally get the particular set of questions that you know
well.
> That
> sort of process has no parallel in those other credential
processes.
> For
> example, take the PhD qualification exams (which don't allow
you to
> graduate, but merely allow you to advance to candidacy
status). Almost
> all
> respectable programs have a finite limit to the number of
times you can
> fail
> those exams, usually being 2-3 attempts, with some (harsh)
programs
> allowing
> you only ONE attempt. Once you exceed that threshold, that's
it: the
> game
> is over and you're officially and irrevocably expelled from
the program.
>
> Similarly, once you're a candidate who has submitted your
thesis, you
> can't
> just keep failing your oral defense over and over again until
you
> finally
> succeed. After a certain number of defense failures, your
candidacy will
> be
> revoked. But a CCIE "candidate" can repeatedly attempt the
test with
> impunity.
>
>
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