From: Matt Bentley (mattdbentley@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Jun 29 2008 - 00:59:32 ART
I'd have to side with Scott on this. I work in a technical position, and
yet work with several other people whose tasks are nontechnical. I
certainly don't want to turn this into a CCIE vs PhD discussion, but I can
tell you that when you cut everything away, non-technical workers at a
company (with a very few exceptions) don't add a whole lot. With the help
of outlook appointments and meetings amongst themselves, they can create a
tremendous amount of work for each other - just about the closest real-life
thing to a broadcast storm I've ever seen. The only thing more frustrating
than layer 2 in dynamips is a project manager put over a technical project
who has absolutely zero understanding about the technical aspects of that
project. Recertification prevents you from falling into a position that has
limited value to the company as a whole.
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
> Did I miss something here? Are you for or against the recertifcation
> policy?
>
> Once you obtain a college degree, you have it. You can be a PhD and still
> work the drive through at McDonalds. One would hope that with a CCIE that
> wouldn't be the case, but I suppose it could as well.
>
> The connotations for Doctorate of Philosophy are a touch different than
> "certified professional" or "certified expert" status.
>
> My CNE is expired. I think my MCSE just got obliterated, so it's expired
> too. Do I feel bad about them? Nope. Evolution. If I ever find myself
> working on an old Novell network or Microsoft one I don't feel like an
> expert (nor do I want to!). So why should Cisco networking be different?
>
> On the flip side, European history hasn't changed all that much from the
> class I took in college. I'm pretty sure that there was a time that the
> Romans rules most of the known world and now they don't. :)
>
> If you value it, recertify it. If you are still working at 80, and it's
> still in networking, I hope you will have updated your certification.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Cisco Mania
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 6:47 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Expiration Policy
>
> I was wondering if Cisco will ever change its certification's expiration
> policies?
> What about having certifications for lifetime? Whatever comes new in
> books,
> it doesn't mean that technologies goes away from market, they are still
> here.
>
> So for some reason you could not take whatever required exam for re
> certification? so you have to repeat alllllllll the exams all over again?
> and then price jump from $125 to $150 for professional exams. and CCIE
> being
> change every other year or so. Whatever I am saying. The basic point is
> that
> I feel strongly that exams like CCIE shouldn't get expired if for some
> reason a person was not able to take current required exams. It's a lot of
> hard work and money and training is involved in achieving these certs. and
> unfortunately, jobs are not very optimistic these days. and not everybody
> is
> using cisco products. Networking jobs require you to know a lot of other
> stuff.
>
> so if u did ccnp and it expired, u are suppose to start from scratch and
> start from ccna. and if it expired again, u are suppose to continue from
> scratch again.
> Same with ccie.
>
> Now look at your degrees or high school diploma. if they start doing it
> what
> will u do? Expiration Policy. Be very honest. I don't think I will pass
> most
> of the mid-terms of whatever courses I took in college. and Most of the
> normal students won't be able to do it. But anyway, certs are different,
> more practical? product oriented. I am sure that once a person has gone
> through achieving ccnp or ccie certs, they know most of the stuff already.
> so what's they point in making them start from point A. They should be
> given some kind of options for having choice if they want to renew it or
> no.
> up to them. It all depends where they are working (and if they are working)
> and if there is need for them to know whatever is added in new books.
> Enough for today.
>
> yeah, my certs have been expired. and I took one exam again but it expired
> too. It's just that I think this is the biggest drawback why ppl won't go
> for certs again and again. Think about it. You are in 80's now. Your
> grandchildren want to go to picnic and you are busy re certifying every
> couple of years.
> Anyway, it also hurts to lose something what you had achieved once. and
> then
> you are not sure if it's all worth to go through them. Knowledge is
> something you have already achieved.
> etc.
> etc.
> etc.
>
> so if u want to go through ccie, but then looking at your other expired
> cert
> (and ccie written has expired too), you are not sure what to do.
>
>
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