From: Luan Nguyen (luan.m.nguyen@gmail.com)
Date: Sat Jul 19 2008 - 15:54:39 ART
So do we have the first CCDE yet?
I think if you have a triple CCIE in RS, Security and SP, you could easily
tackle it.
-Luan
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
> After talking with Russ for a while (and abusing him a bit) I think the
> demo
> is merely an early subset of one of the exam scenarios. So it's not FULLY
> completed to that extent. So yes, what you saw on the beta is not entirely
> indicative of the end result.
>
> That's part of why they call it a beta! :)
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Ronnie Angello
> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 1:44 PM
> To: Scott Morris
> Cc: Brad Ellis; Wes Stevens; Colin McNamara; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCDE Practical Exam
>
> To add to Scott's thought...
>
> I was just reading through the slides from the networkers presentation.
> There is a particular slide that addresses multiple good solutions.
>
> It basically says that, in some cases, the exam accounts for multiple right
> answers. It does say that some right answers are worth more points that
> others though. However, I have not found that to be the case on the demo
> specifically.
>
> Ronnie
>
> On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Scott Morris
> <smorris@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> > It's not geared to have multiple correct answers. Every network
> > design has multiple correct answers. However, many of the answers are
> > "less" correct when looking specifically at the questions they ask in
> > light of the information provided.
> >
> > In a perfect world any viable solution to accomplish the needs would
> > be right, but that's so CCDP. :)
> >
> > There's much more detail to look at and a mindset to be aware of.
> > It's not just another design exam.
> >
> >
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of Brad Ellis
> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 6:48 PM
> > To: Wes Stevens; Colin McNamara; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCDE Practical Exam
> >
> > It all depends on what kind of "mood" Russ White is in. :)
> >
> > The CCDE needs to take a lot of things into account. I'm hoping the
> > final version does just that (has multiple correct complete solutions).
> > From conversations with Russ at Networkers, it appears that it will be
> > geared to accommodate multiple correct solutions.
> >
> > I can just see it now...design a network for a 10,000 site voice,
> > video, and data deployment...and also put together a BOM. This would
> > be a great way for advanced services to offload some design work! :)
> >
> > thanks,
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of Wes Stevens
> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 3:41 PM
> > To: Colin McNamara; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: CCDE Practical Exam
> >
> > Colin,
> > I think Cisco will do the CCDE right. The people that are saying it
> > will be easy to cheat just do not understand how it will be delivered.
> > If they only give it once a qtr and change it every time, what good
> > will it do you to know what the questions looked like from the
> > previous time the exam was given?
> > As for the MCA, I don't care how tough it is. You still end up working
> > on windoze servers. It is boring and lacks challenge.
> > Been there done that and will never go back to it....
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Colin McNamara <Colin@2cups.com>
> > To: Wes Stevens <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>
> > Cc: Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 4:36:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: CCDE Practical Exam
> >
> > While I think Joe is being a bit sensational about devaluing the CCDE
> > before the first number is assigned, i agree that Microsoft has made
> > some good decisions in creating the MCA. They have followed CIsco's
> > lead
> >
> > on using performance based testing, and may over time restore faith in
> > their certifications. The one thing I have heard (from a few people)
> > is that the MCA is focused almost exclusively on members of Microsoft
> > Consulting Services. Contrary to that, in the CCDE beta meetings,
> > while I have noticed a couple Advanced Services guys around, the bulk
> > of the participants are from the Channel and industry.
> >
> > There are some hurdles to be jumped - mandatory channel participation,
> > MIA prereq, etc. for the CCDE to hit its full potential, but I am
> > confident that the CCDE team recognizes these issues, and will deal
> > with
> >
> > then accordingly.
> >
> > --
> > Colin McNamara
> > (858)208-8105
> > CCIE #18233,RHCE,GCIH
> > http://www.colinmcnamara.com
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/colinmcnamara
> >
> > "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little
> longer"
> >
> >
> >
> > Wes Stevens wrote:
> >> I have three people with MBA's in my group and one with a masters in
> > computer science. The MBA's are from Baylor and UT. Maybe not top
> > tier, but pretty good schools. None of them have been able to break
> > into management - although one is still fairly young and still has a
> chance.
> > They are still network engineers and I am doing better then they are
> > with my IE.
> >>
> >> Not saying that you should not go for you MBA, just keep in mind that
> > it is not a guarantee of success especially if it is not from one of
> > the top schools. There is a lot of competition out there on the
> management
> side.
> >>
> >> As far as not being able to make a living in networking - well there
> > are a lot of factors - where you live, who you work for and last but
> > not least how good are you at network engineering. My experience is
> > that there is still plenty of opportunity and you can make a pretty good
> living at it.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> >> To: Wes Stevens <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>; Marko Milivojevic
> > <markom@markom.info>; GS CCIE-Lab <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:19:33 PM
> >> Subject: RE: CCDE Practical Exam
> >>
> >> I'm joking...
> >>
> >> I'm going to School to get an MBA. Cisco doesn't pay enough money to
> > live
> >> anymore...
> >>
> >> -Joe
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of Wes
> >> Stevens
> >> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:32 PM
> >> To: Joseph Brunner; Marko Milivojevic; GS CCIE-Lab
> >> Subject: Re: CCDE Practical Exam
> >>
> >> You are still missing the point. It is still just a MS cert.
> >> But go for it. Let us know how it works out for you...
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> >> To: Wes Stevens <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>; Marko Milivojevic
> >> <markom@markom.info>; GS CCIE-Lab <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:14:06 PM
> >> Subject: RE: CCDE Practical Exam
> >>
> >> Nope. I donbt think you have read just the REVIEW phase of the
> > candidate;
> >>
> >>
> > http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/architect/technology/reviewboard
> > /d
> > efau
> >> lt.mspx
> >>
> >> Never mind the grueling 6 weeks at Redmond in the lab phases, and
> > final
> >> candidate assessment.
> >>
> >>
> > http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/architect/technology/howto/defau
> > lt
> > .msp
> >> x
> >>
> >>
> >> Imagine you and me working 6 weeks at Cisco with Russ White and Dr.
> >> Parkhurst?
> >>
> >> Cisco needs to spend more time on assessing the people they consider
> > worthy,
> >> and more time assessing their ability to deploy and develop customer
> >> solutions... rather seeing who can fire macro's into dynamips to sh
> >> ip
> > os ne
> >> sh ip bg su, etc.
> >>
> >> -Joe
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Wes Stevens [mailto:wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:04 PM
> >> To: Joseph Brunner; Marko Milivojevic; GS CCIE-Lab
> >> Subject: Re: CCDE Practical Exam
> >>
> >> It is still just a MS cert. It only says you can point and click a MS
> >> install like millions of others out there.
> >> After you spend all that time and money there will be no payback in
> > money or
> >> job security.....
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> >> To: Marko Milivojevic <markom@markom.info>; GS CCIE-Lab
> >> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 7:14:03 PM
> >> Subject: RE: CCDE Practical Exam
> >>
> >> FYI;
> >>
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/architect/default.mspx
> >>
> >> The CCIE/CCDE is not a failed program; It is a program that accepts
> >> failures.
> >>
> >> I think the MCA is the new bar. Cisco you are notified. Make the CCMA
> >> grueling HELL. Make it 10x hard physically, so no fat slobs can pass
> > it.
> >> Make it 48 hours of non-stop configs, documentation, and testing
> >> using servers, software, routers, switches, trace files, C#, SQL
> >> queries,
> > shell
> >> scripting, anything else you can throw on there...
> >>
> >> When I spend 1 year / 16 hours a day getting it and I'm 30 then and
> > SINGLE,
> >> I want to be one of the only people in the world who has it...
> >>
> >> ;)
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> >> Marko Milivojevic
> >> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 3:44 PM
> >> To: GS CCIE-Lab
> >> Subject: Re: CCDE Practical Exam
> >>
> >> Please note that test is delivered in VUE professional testing
> >> centres
> >> -- not all VUE test centers! According to Cisco guys, these centers
> >> are where lawyers/doctors/etc. take their professional tests.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 19:29, Luan M Nguyen <luan@t3technology.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am going to profit big time from this.B I have a plan!
> >>> I will open a top secret VUE center where the CCDE will be conducted.
> > I
> >>>
> >> then
> >>
> >>> will print screen all the questions and hire some experts with Scott
> >>>
> >> Morris
> >>
> >>> caliber to answer all the questions...and share the profits
> > :)...piece of
> >>> cake!
> >>> Any big wigs signed up for the beta yet i wonder?
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> >>> Muhammad Nasim
> >>> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 3:09 PM
> >>> To: Colin McNamara
> >>> Cc: Scott Morris; Marko Milivojevic; GS CCIE-Lab
> >>> Subject: Re: CCDE Practical Exam
> >>>
> >>> Flash based Exam sound interesting but vulnerable to PASS4SURE time
> > of
> >>> things if conducted in Pearson
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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