From: Anthony Sequeira (Anthony_Sequeira@skillsoft.com)
Date: Fri Jul 25 2008 - 00:23:40 ART
How funny is it that Cisco features Simulation questions in the CCNP
track exams, and does not one of those in the CCIE Written Exam!
Obviously the technology exists for a Hands On re-cert that would not
have all the $ concerns of the full lab.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Joseph Brunner
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:03 PM
To: 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Luan M Nguyen'
Cc: 'Ahsan Mohiuddin'; Anthony Sequeira; 'Roman Rodichev'; 'Michael
Jones'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Good job CISCO!!!!
Narbik,
About 100,000 Chrysler Mechanics are about to start asking themselves
how
much longer they will be needed after Chrysler finally shuts down...
While I'm sure the ISP-Dial CCIE had its place in 1997 and was a genuine
lofty pursuit, perhaps its time they took the Service Provider track?
You need to stay fresh, current, engaged, and above all committed to be
a
professional.
I don't think taking a hands on lab perhaps every 4 if not 2 years is
too
much to ask.
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Narbik Kocharians
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:48 PM
To: Luan M Nguyen
Cc: Ahsan Mohiuddin; Anthony Sequeira; Roman Rodichev; Michael Jones;
Cisco
certification
Subject: Re: Good job CISCO!!!!
If they (Cisco) started testing through the lab exam, what and how will
ISP-Dial CCIEs take their lab exam???????
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Luan M Nguyen <luan@t3technology.com>
wrote:
> 1000 pass on 4th try vs 1000 pass on 1st try = $4 million!!!
> At the time where lots of companies cut cost by giving cheap coffee or
none
> at all, that should be a motivation to make the exam harder.
> Exam harder also means lots more business for teaching companies....
>
> -Luan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> Ahsan Mohiuddin
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:27 PM
> To: Anthony Sequeira
> Cc: Roman Rodichev; Michael Jones; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Good job CISCO!!!!
>
> your point about copyrights, if thats the case then Cisco should
create a
> better legal cover for its certification exams.. for example, i
believe
> anyone who attempts to cheat on a lawyers' bar exam can be prosecuted
by
> law. we know that many technology companies try to promote their stuff
thru
> certification programs and therefor such programs may be brandished as
just
> being part of their marketing strategies. But cisco's programs,
especially
> ccie, is an industry standard, so cisco should work to get a better
legal
> cover for protecting the ccie program
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 5:13 AM, Anthony Sequeira <
> Anthony_Sequeira@skillsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I sure hope this announcement is not a bunch of hot air.
> >
> > You could have purchased the answers, and then you could certainly
mock
> > not knowing the answers up front as you take the test.
> >
> > I agree with Joe B. on this one. Until there is something in place
that
> > makes the written exam less readily available, to have a written be
the
> > re-cert does seem to damage the program a bit.
> >
> > Another interesting topic to me in this arena is the age old
question of
> > why a very well known piracy company can continue to do
business...being
> > pretty ignorant to legal matters, I have always assumed one of the
> > following:
> >
> > a) The company is located on foreign soil.
> > b) The company has changed a few words in the questions to avoid a
> > copyright infringement. I read once that the only real ground Cisco
has
> > to prosecute on is copyright infringement.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> > Roman Rodichev
> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:45 PM
> > To: Anthony Sequeira; Michael Jones; Cisco certification
> > Subject: RE: Good job CISCO!!!!
> >
> > What is stopping someone who used pass4sure and knows all the
answers,
> > from answering a few questions wrong and sitting there for two hours
> > instead of 11 minutes? I don't get it. Forensics?!!
> >
> >
> > Roman Rodichev
> > 5xCCIE #7927 (R&S, Security, Voice, Storage, Service Provider)
> > Instructor, Content Developer. ieMentor Corporation
> > http://www.iementor.com
> > Y!M: roman7927
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Anthony Sequeira" <Anthony_Sequeira@skillsoft.com>
> > To: "Michael Jones" <majonestx@gmail.com>; "Cisco certification"
> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: 7/24/08 5:08 PM
> > Subject: RE: Good job CISCO!!!!
> >
> > Finally, Cisco will invalidate a passing score if the candidate
> > completed the exam with a score of 980 and it took them 11 minutes.
> >
> > Even for a CCIE taking the CCNA - that is just not possible unless
you
> > have purchased the correct answers.
> >
> > In addition to analyzing the time spent on questions, I wonder what
> > other "forensic" techniques will be used?
> >
> > One sad note for me on this topic, however. I took the new BCMSN
exam
> > last week and was amazed at how incredibly difficult it was. That is
a
> > good thing of course, ensuring the CCNP knows his stuff. But the
problem
> > was that several of the questions were OUT OF SCOPE for the Cisco
> > Official Course. It looked like they had borrowed questions from
other
> > courses! Cisco needs to be more careful about this in my opinion. It
> > would be easy for someone to justify cheating if they spend a bunch
of
> > money for a course that does not prepare them for the exam.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> > Michael Jones
> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 5:14 PM
> > To: Cisco certification
> > Subject: Good job CISCO!!!!
> >
> >
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/telecom/cisco-pearso
> >
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> >
> > Tuesday, July 22, 2008 Cisco and Pearson VUE Combat Exam Fraud With
> > Global
> > Test Delivery Enhancements
> >
> > Jul 22, 2008 (Hugin via COMTEX) ----New Security Measures Underscore
> > Commitment to Protect Certification Integrity and Value
> >
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> >
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"Proxy
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and
> > Cisco are leading the way in aggressively combating this industry
wide
> > issue
> > through the latest advancements in exam development and delivery."
> >
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> > photographs
> > for candidate-identity verification and forensic analysis of testing
> > data.
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> >
> > -- Photo on Score Report and Web -- On completion of a certification
> > exam at
> > the test center, candidates will receive preliminary score reports
> > imprinted
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authentication
> > code
> > can be used to access a candidate's official score online at Pearson
> > VUE's
> > website www.pearsonvue.com/authenticate usually within 72 hours of
the
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candidate's
> > photo. Candidates may share access to their online records with
> > employers or
> > other third parties.
> >
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> > problems
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> > imposition of a one-year or lifetime testing ban.
> >
> > -- Preliminary Score Report -- All paper score reports will be
> > preliminary,
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are
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> > scores
> > are official, candidates may use the authentication codes on their
score
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> > verification.
> >
> > "We looked at alternatives for addressing the issue of proxy
testing,
> > the
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> > certification community who chose training, hard work and experience
as
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president of
> > market development for Pearson VUE. "We determined that adding
photos to
> > score reports and providing employers with the ability to
authenticate
> > both
> > the exam score and the person achieving it will provide a direct
benefit
> > to
> > all."
> >
> > These new exam security measures are part of Cisco's overall
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measures
> > include simulation-based testing, dynamically generated questions
and
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professionals
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