From: Olugbenga Adanlawo (gbengaadan@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Oct 07 2008 - 04:15:56 ART
I sincerely hope you guys are not exaggerating on this issue, i don't think or
know of any one that pass the lab without knowing this basic questions.Even if
you use the workbook to pass the lab, i strongly believe you should still have
something upstairs except there are other ways of passing the lab not known to
me.This not only belittle the two CCIE guys but also Ciso Systems that
certified them.RegardsGbenga> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:05:04 +1100> From:
pbhatkoti@gmail.com> To: wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: CCIE, i wish
to take a different path !> CC: joe@affirmedsystems.com;
ccielab@groupstudy.com> > While you're on the topic, I would like to share you
a real story of what> happend last week.> > My bI've interviewed 2 CCIE's R&S
guys and they can't even get the 3 wayTCP> handshake TCP-seqence number
right.> I through 5questions to see how they know their stuffs. They were
pretty> basic CCNA level questions.> Those questions were not about the BGP or
OSPF or any dynamics protocol but> just real basic stuffs.> > another question
was easy as a toddler could have done it but both CCIE guys> (R&S ) couldn't
do them right: the question was> > R1------r2-------r3----------r4> > as
packet goes from r1 to r4 list the src/dst mac/ip address.> > Damn!! I have
seen those paper CCIE now! so I told my boss that u want them> to go to the
customer site and then ringing to Cisco TAC from the site or> opening a case?>
> It's shame, how people can get such a pretistiagous cert without knowing
the> stuffs.> > > On the other hand I interviewed another CCNA guy and he
holds masters> degree. He was 200 times bettern than those CCIE guys. He
answerdd all> questions which were really below CCNA level.> > So I said to my
boss, hey, hire that CCNA guy. He would be the one who will> do the job in the
field and won't upset your customers.> > Just sharing real life experience
with you guys!! may be someone else have> done this before.> > -frog> > > On
Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:46 AM, Wes Stevens <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>wrote:> >
> No myth they are doing interviews before the bejing lab. As to who would> >
fail the interview that could pass the lab - is someone that memorized> >
curent lab contents but did not have the experience to pass the interview> >
process.> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----> > From: Joseph Brunner
<joe@affirmedsystems.com>> > To: Wes Stevens <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>;
Darby Weaver <> > ccie.weaver@gmail.com>> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com> >
Sent: Monday, October 6, 2008 11:08:56 AM> > Subject: RE: CCIE, i wish to take
a different path !> >> > There is no interview... that was a myth right????>
>> > Who would legitimately pass the lab, and fail some interview (perhaps> >
because they don't speak well or are nervous, then be denied a number)> >> >
Lets leaving the trolling to the CCNP board!> >> > -----Original Message----->
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of> >
Wes> > Stevens> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 9:49 AM> > To: Darby Weaver>
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com> > Subject: Re: CCIE, i wish to take a different
path !> >> > I was told the pass rate in bejing was extreamely high till the
interview> > exam was implemented. Then it dropped back to the 20% range.> >>
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----> > From: Darby Weaver
<ccie.weaver@gmail.com>> > To: Hobbs <deadheadblues@gmail.com>> > Cc: john
matijevic <john.matijevic@gmail.com>; Tony Varriale> >
<tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com>; Gary Duncanson <garyduncanson@btinternet.com> >
>;> > Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>> > Sent: Sunday, October 5,
2008 9:07:43 PM> > Subject: Re: CCIE, i wish to take a different path !> >> >
Not to belabor the point. Jared, Narbik and others were quiet eloquent and> >
to the point.> >> > Yes you can probably eventually pass the CCIE Lab on your
own with little> > or> > no use of any workbooks.> >> > It was done in the
past by a few people still here to tell the tale today.> >> > Would you want
to? Ouch! Maybe not.> >> > I've found the CCIE Lab Exam to be littered with
lots of things that one> > can> > find on one's own but even reading the
design guides a few times and poring> > through the command references all the
while typing at the CLI would just> > take an enormous amount of attention to
detail - very much quality> > attention> > to details.> >> > Now one could
pass just learning the specifics on putting making a pod> > work. I think this
is possible. But I do not think it is the most> > practical way to go about
it.> >> > There are a lot of very intelligent people on-list and off-list who
take> > more than one trip to the CCIE Lunch Buffet. There's a reason. Maybe
we> > are all deluded... or maybe we just did not pay enough attention the
first> > time.> >> > Today lots of bloggers are passing of their reported
first attempt. I'd> > like to see if Cisco acknowledges this % of improvement.
I've heard some> > people claim their first attempt and yet they say elsewhere
they went some> > years before, etc. Not quite the first attempt. :)> >> > It
may be possible, but it may not be feasible.> >> > There's a certain school of
thought that firmly is entrenched in the idea> > that this lab is very much an
insider's exam.> >> > Knowing what I know, who I know and knew, and a few long
years now with> > hindsight being 20/20, I'd say that while it may not be
intended to have> > been an insider's exam, it may well have come to that.> >>
> I do think that if one were quite experienced with a wide variety of> >
technologies, that the lab difficulty diminishes with the inverse of one's> >
experiences with any given technology tested.> >> >> >> >> >> > On Sun, Oct 5,
2008 at 7:19 PM, Hobbs <deadheadblues@gmail.com> wrote:> >> > > Ovais:
Everybody's path IS different :)> > >> > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 5:01 PM,
john matijevic <john.matijevic@gmail.com> > > >wrote:> > >> > > > Hello
Andrew,> > > > The author of the BGP and OSPF Command Reference books is name
is> > > > Parkhurst,> > > > I had the pleasure of meeting him personally when
I went for my lab.> > > > Sincerely,> > > > John> > > >> > > > On Sun, Oct 5,
2008 at 6:19 PM, Tony Varriale <> > > tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com> > > >
>wrote:> > > >> > > > > Comments inline.> > > > >> > > > > -----Original
Message-----> > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf> > > Of> > > > > Gary> > > > >
Duncanson> > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 3:24 PM> > > > > To: Ovais
Iqbal> > > > > Cc: Cisco certification> > > > > Subject: Re: CCIE, i wish to
take a different path !> > > > >> > > > > >Vendor products are certainly
popular, however it is something of an> > > > urban> > > > > >myth that they
are a relatively new phenomenon. Bootcamps and> > bootcamp> > > > > >labbooks
have been around in one form or another for almost as long> > as> > > > the> >
> > > >CCIE track has been public. In other words they have been used to a> >
> > > greater> > > > >> > > > > >or lesser extent by just about every CCIE
minted for years now.> > > Practice> > > > > >labs do not have to come from
vendors though.> > > > >> > > > > This is obviously true for >= than the mid
old-schoolers. Before> > > > > ccwhocamp,> > > > > the primary learning
experience was formal training and/or OTJ.> > > > >> > > > > The mid
old-schoolers had 4 primary outlets: 1) ccwhocamp 2) own> > > > >
experience/dev 3) groupstudy lab test answer posting 4) formal> > training> >
> > >> > > > > I can assure you that #3 was a HUGE explosion in the CCIE
process> > > during> > > > > this time frame.> > > > >> > > > > >Cisco Press
have done practice> > > > > >labs through books by Gorito and Duggan and Solie
has practice labs> > as> > > > > well.> > > > > >There was also 'fatkid' once
upon a time but I digress :)> > > > >> > > > > Cisco Press was a factor after
mid old-school, IMHO.> > > > > w> > > > > Fatkid? Where is fatty (I forgot his
name...darnit)? I'm very aware> > > of> > > > > the> > > > > labs that were
"offered". I'm also aware of what was available on> > the> > > > lab> > > > >
exam in 2000 (or before). And, I'm not the only one.> > > > >> > > > > >In
terms of challenge, regardless of the mix of materials you use,> > you> > > >
> still> > > > > >have to put the necessary time in to cover the lab footprint
and get> > > to> > > > a> > > > > >point where you can recall the *right*
solution to meet particular> > > > > >requirements.> > > > >> > > > > I'll
disagree here. Any idea of why certain regions of the world are> > > > >
moving> > > > > towards an interview before you sit?> > > > >> > > > > >Vendor
materials are helpful but> > > > > >not a magic bullet. You have to make the
effort. Many people have> > > > invested> > > > > >lots of money in multiple
vendor sources and come unglued. A vendor> > > > > product> > > > >> > > > >
>wont give you determination or the inherent intellect to be able to> > > > >
>understand it all.> > > > >> > > > > Obviously you have to have the
capability. But, the amount of> > > > organization> > > > > and material
offered today from CCIE vendors is absolutely amazing.> > If> > > > you> > > >
> consider price too, it's mind blowing.> > > > >> > > > > >Cisco Press books
and CCO offer an almost endless source of> > > > > >topologies you can lab up
and play with at home and I recommend you> > do> > > > so.> > > > >> > > > >
Sure, Cisco Press is definitely the pinnacle of Cisconess. But,> > > consider>
> > > > this. There are> > > > > some CP books that just don't measure
up...some are way outside of> > the> > > > > acceptable variation.> > > > >> >
> > > Tv> > > > >> > > > > PS - Brad, no hard feelings on the whocamp stuff. I
didn't invent> > > that,> > > > I> > > > > just thought it was funny. :)> > >
> >> > > > > ----- Original Message -----> > > > > From: "Ovais Iqbal"
<ovais.iqball@yahoo.com>> > > > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>> > > > > Sent:
Sunday, October 05, 2008 6:43 PM> > > > > Subject: CCIE, i wish to take a
different path !> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Hi all, first of all i mean no
disrespect to the gurus who are> > > helping> > > > > > CCIEs a> > > > > >
lot, namely IE, IPexpert, Narbik and others,> > > > > > mostly when i read the
success stories, one point is present in all> > > of> > > > > > them, x> > > >
> > months configuring the routers using x vendors workbooks, i just> > want>
> > > to> > > > > > know> > > > > > something very simple, can some one pass
the lab without these> > > > workbooks> > > > > ?> > > > >> > > > > > can> > >
> > > someone suggest me a path that i shall take if i dont want to use> >
any> > > > of> > > > > > the> > > > > > vendors ? right now i think getting
CCIE is not a challenge any> > more,> > > > no> > > > > > offense, but thats
the truth, look around and you will see a hell> > lot> > > > > > increase> > >
> > > in the production of CCIE as never seen before, i know more and> > more>
> > > ppl> > > > > > are> > > > > > inclined towards it but i think the real
challenge is to take the> > lab> > > > > > without> > > > > > using any of the
workbooks, ( again no offense to the latest CCIEs,> > i> > > > > > respect> >
> > > > them all :-) ),> > > > > >> > > > > > Is there anyone who took the lab
without using any vendors, can> > > he/she> > > > > > shed> > > > > > some
light on his/her preparation ??> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks> > > > > >> > > >
> >> > > > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net> > > > > >> > >
> > >> > >
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