From: Duncan Maccubbin (duncan.maccubbin@earthlink.net)
Date: Wed Nov 19 2008 - 10:32:28 ARST
If you work in IT at all you doing a CISSP kind of job. The amount of stuff there covers just about everything.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Muhammad Nasim <muhammad.nasim@gmail.com>
>Sent: Nov 18, 2008 4:42 PM
>To: Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
>Cc: darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com>, Duncan Maccubbin <duncan.maccubbin@earthlink.net>, Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Subject: Re: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
>
>Sorry it was I am doing *NOT* CISSP KIND OF JOB.
>
>2008/11/19 Muhammad Nasim <muhammad.nasim@gmail.com>
>
>> One thing is really bugging me these days is to decide what should I do
>> after doing CCIE SEC (Alhumdulilah)
>>
>> I am seeing guys are rushing for 2nd CCIE like most of them are going for
>> CCIE voice.
>>
>> Mentally and from my heart if one is not doing Voice in his daily office
>> work. What is the worth of passing the exams with out having hands on of
>> the Technology.
>>
>> I know that one can do hands on remote racks and on virtual racks BUT if
>> someone is not doing the work practically what would be the worth for it.
>>
>> Should i assume that there is really really NOT worth of Practical hands on
>> (or there are very few places where HANDS ON COUNTS) just what you need to
>> is to get the certs and that's it and your salary will be increased and you
>> will get more benefits this and that.
>>
>> To be honest I myself can not say that I am an expert in Security becasue
>> it is a DEEP ocean. Even I can not make myself ready for CISSP because I
>> think that I am doing CISSP KIND OF JOB.
>>
>> It is really frustrating to see that people are going and jumping for other
>> CCIE tracks even they did not justify with first track (both technology,
>> theory and product wise)
>>
>> I am sorry for the OT but it is really bugging me.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> 2008/11/19 Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
>>
>> All,
>>>
>>> I've seen a lot of demand for the CISSP.
>>>
>>> It's not that hard from a technical perspective but it is broad and does
>>> require a little time to study for it.
>>>
>>> It has its place and some people with the CISSP are commanding greater
>>> salaries than a CCIE.
>>>
>>> But recall the CISSP is not assumed to have any specific knowledge of
>>> either
>>> a PIX/ASA nor Cisco.
>>>
>>> It's a generalist certification very similar to the SANS GSEC.
>>>
>>> If you want to work in a Security capacity it's kind of assumed to be
>>> there.
>>>
>>> So not a bad $500.00 or so investment for the exam or maybe $4500-5000.00
>>> for a class.
>>>
>>> Cheaper than a CCIE for sure.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > Good conversation. I've seen it as a DoD contract requirement before.
>>> I'd
>>> > probably look at it as a resume booster, but I do have to admit, there
>>> was
>>> > good material with what I did read over, just boring, and not action
>>> packed
>>> > like working on cisco gear!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Duncan Maccubbin <
>>> > duncan.maccubbin@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > How much did your CCIE teach you about Physical data center security?
>>> > > Disaster recovery? Law? While it didn't go into deep detail I still
>>> > learned
>>> > > quit a bit. The CISSP is what it is which is not a vendor specific
>>> hands
>>> > on
>>> > > exam.
>>> > >
>>> > > "But to each is own... I worked at a company where like 5 people got
>>> the
>>> > > CISSP. None of them could configure even the basic stuff on a pix...
>>> so
>>> > what
>>> > > does that tell you???"
>>> > >
>>> > > It tells me you have no clue what the CISSP exam is about.
>>> > >
>>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > >From: Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>>> > > >Sent: Nov 17, 2008 10:41 AM
>>> > > >To: "'Diment, Andrew'" <Andrew.Diment@qwest.com>, 'darth router' <
>>> > > darklordrouter@gmail.com>, 'Cisco certification' <
>>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> > >
>>> > > >Subject: RE: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Right, I agree "knowledge is never useless"
>>> > > >
>>> > > >There is better security knowledge for today's re-aligned world in
>>> the
>>> > > >CCNA-SEC
>>> > > >
>>> > > >I wouldn't even say the CISSP is an inch deep... it's about a
>>> millimeter
>>> > > >deep, that's why I think its worthless. The CCIE written's are an
>>> inch
>>> > > deep.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >But to each is own... I worked at a company where like 5 people got
>>> the
>>> > > >CISSP. None of them could configure even the basic stuff on a pix...
>>> so
>>> > > what
>>> > > >does that tell you???
>>> > > >
>>> > > >-Joe
>>> > > >
>>> > > >-----Original Message-----
>>> > > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> > > >Diment, Andrew
>>> > > >Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:26 AM
>>> > > >To: Joseph Brunner; darth router; Cisco certification
>>> > > >Subject: RE: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
>>> > > >
>>> > > >I don't agree with your assessment that the CISSP is useless. Does
>>> it
>>> > > >teach you to configure a firewall...no, but neither does a college
>>> > > >degree. Would you consider that useless too? Knowledge is never
>>> > > >useless.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >You just need to take it for what it is, a 50,000 foot view of all
>>> > > >aspects of security. A mile wide and an inch deep. By itself it
>>> might
>>> > > >not mean much, but it does show you went through the material and
>>> passed
>>> > > >the test. Anything, and I mean anything, that will move your resume
>>> to
>>> > > >the "interview" pile is very useful.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >I very recently applied for a security job within my own company. I
>>> got
>>> > > >a call from HR and the guys exact words were "you have a CCIE and a
>>> > > >CISSP, I'm going to immediately forward your resume to the hiring
>>> > > >manager". I had an interview 24 hours later.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Andy
>>> > > >
>>> > > >-----Original Message-----
>>> > > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> > > >Joseph Brunner
>>> > > >Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:39 AM
>>> > > >To: 'darth router'; 'Cisco certification'
>>> > > >Subject: RE: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
>>> > > >
>>> > > >OT is right.. search the archives...
>>> > > >
>>> > > >My thoughts - useless, now more than ever...
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Its bad in IT right now unless you can configure a firewall, not tell
>>> us
>>> > > >we should have one. Unless you can configure a lockdown of a voice
>>> over
>>> > > >ip network, not tell us we should lock down our voice over ip
>>> network.
>>> > > >Get it?
>>> > > >
>>> > > >The CISSP is heavy on theory, but not many places have time for
>>> theories
>>> > > >any more... they are running their budgets on empty until at least
>>> 2011.
>>> > > >Its time to roll up your sleeves and hit the datacenter.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >-Joe
>>> > > >
>>> > > >-----Original Message-----
>>> > > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> > > >darth router
>>> > > >Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:58 PM
>>> > > >To: Cisco certification
>>> > > >Subject: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Anyone have it? Does it bring any real value to your career?
>>> > > >
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>> --
>> Muhammad Nasim
>> Network Engineer
>> Saudi Arabia
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