From: Tony Varriale (tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com)
Date: Wed Jan 14 2009 - 14:22:55 ARST
If you notice my caveat, I think it's good too.if Cisco had a proctor
validation process. Which, they don't. I think that's the ultimate irony.
I think we all know people that are questionable, people that have passed
legitimately without ever touching frame relay in the wild, learned how BGP
worked on the actual lab, people who found the lab books to be incorrect,
etc. There's all types of flavors and one size does not fit all.
From: Jonathan Greenwood II [mailto:gwood83@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:18 AM
To: Tony Varriale
Cc: Nick; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
Scoring
I think it's a great idea for those who are prepared. I don't believe this
is fake as I received the same email in two separate accounts. I thought
maybe groupstudy may have been spammed but I got it in my email that I use
for all my emails from Cisco.
I personally think the urgency of the change is coming from the amount of
people (A) either passing the lab or (B) have the written due to dumps. If
you notice this is only for the Routing & Switching exam.
Personally I'm happy as shit they are doing this to preserve the integrity
of the exam, as I've came across a guy who was studying for his exam on
Facebook and said he didn't know anything about Cisco and was from overseas
on the other side of the Pacific from the US and said he wanted to go for it
about 6months ago and he's never done any work with Cisco or had any other
Cisco certs, about a month ago he asked me some basic technology questions
like STP/VTP etc and couple of other things then a couple of weeks ago he
said he was going to take his lab exam for his first time. I brushed it off
like goodluck. He comes back like I got it #2310X thanking me for helping
him understand some basic technology questions he had.
So I'm like WTF, I asked what did you use to study like what vendor WB or
something, he said just material written in his native language and
rackrentals. I want to be fair to guy because I don't know his full story
but never the less I'm still like WTF 6months no experience. To me
personally it goes along with the article I read in Network World by George
Morton. Never the less I'm glad they are doing it. Those who are prepared
shouldn't have any problems witht his.
My 2cents
Jonathan
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Tony Varriale <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com>
wrote:
If you are prepared, 15-30 minutes is nothing.
I think there are 2 items that really bother me.
1) 2 weeks notice? I'm assuming this announcement is official. IMO, any
"change" to the program is major and should allow 1-3 months before the
change.
2) There have been 3 main sources of problems with the CCIE lab
implementation. The first is the incorrectness of the actual lab books.
The second is the lab equipment. The third is the proctors.
This allows more interaction with crappy proctors who could inject more
influence into the outcome of your grade. IMO, this is going in the wrong
direction and is the largest mistake. Cisco is assuming all of their
proctors are great and everything is fine. Quite the opposite. If they had
control over the quality of the proctors, I wouldn't see a problem with
this.
tv
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Nick
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:00 AM
To: Ravi Singh
Cc: hanan; syedraheel@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
Scoring
Well there is not much detail so far imo. It would be nice for a sample
question or two from Cisco. At least that way we could get a idea of how
long the questions will take to answer, how much detail is required and
maybe even how they are scored.
If each question takes 5 minutes roughly, that's around 20-25 minutes . Will
they be any changes to the amount of lab questions to compensate?
I think its a good idea overall. We just need some more insight and details.
2009/1/14 Ravi Singh <way2ccie@googlemail.com>
> Is this really needed ? I mean, there are instances when you just can't
> theoretically explain a technology but given a console and a router ,
> you can get it running like anything . I personally feel, it will divert
> the
> attention of a serious lab candidate to not just understand the technology
> but also "mug up " words and theory which can show that you know the
> technology. What's your say Group ?
>
> Ravi
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:22 AM, hanan <nouran@skynet.be> wrote:
>
> > Question
> > Will the short answer questions be added to the CCIE blueprints?
> How
> > can I prepare (study) for the questions?
> >
> >
> > Answer
> > The short answer questions cover material already listed on the
> CCIE
> > lab exam blueprint. The questions are intended to be answered easily and
> > quickly by well-prepared candidates.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
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> > Will the doc cd be available for short Q/A as well?....and it seems
that
> > it
> > will be written Q/A not face to face by the proctor?
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