From: Piyoush Sharma (piyoush@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Jan 19 2009 - 07:52:10 ARST
Well in that case... the question is.. how many CCIE's are bold enough to
embark on this endeavor... I wish I had my CCIE# I would join up in a heart
beat... hell I might open a case just for the heck of it to protest... but
any such move would require the support of the big guns here,,,
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Marko Milivojevic <markom@markom.info>wrote:
> I completely agree! Anyone who disagrees, should open a support case
> to ask for an old logo to remain official!
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 09:36, Alexei Monastyrnyi <alexeim73@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > that would work probably.. shall we go for it? :-)
> >
> > A.
> >
> >
> > Piyoush Sharma wrote:
> >>
> >> I wonder if it would make a difference if every CCIE were to open a
> >> support
> >> ticket asking Cisco to get rid of the new logo...
> >> IMO even if 9-10k tickets open up, it should get somebody's
> attention....
> >>
> >> For some reason this has affected how I perceive the CCIE certification.
> I
> >> am not sure if the new logo is worth all the pain, suffering and
> sleepless
> >> nights counting configs and OSPF timers in bed.
> >> Do not get me wrong, I know the value comes with knowledge and this is a
> >> validation as such, however, I cannot help but ponder if Cisco has
> shirked
> >> their moral responsibility by making a change such as this without
> proper
> >> feedback and/or comments from the people it would affect the most. If
> the
> >> entire community sends a message to Cisco, it would have an impact.
> >> If people show up at the Networkers wearing old CCIE logos, and not new
> >> ones.. every last one of them... that would send a pretty strong
> >> message...
> >>
> >> Cisco might own the trademark, but we (particularly CCIE's..) EARN IT!!!
> >>
> >> Just something to think about.
> >>
> >> -Piyoush
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Scott Morris <
> >> smorris@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> hehhehe Do you really think that people did NOT mention the concept
> of
> >>> keeping the old one? :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Darby Weaver [mailto:ccie.weaver@gmail.com]
> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:47 PM
> >>> To: Scott Morris
> >>> Cc: Marko Milivojevic; swm@emanon.com; Scott M Vermillion; Yandy
> Ramirez;
> >>> Andrew Larkins; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >>> Subject: Re: New CCIE logo
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hey if you really dislike the logo...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Do not download it. If some 20,000 people refuse to acknowledge its
> >>> legitimacy then it will not last very long.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> To be fair to Cisco they did offer a survey offering at least two type
> of
> >>> logos. Maybe someone should have recommended keeping the old one.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> However, since there are so many tracks now this will serve to benifit
> >>> those
> >>> wil specialty tracks and multiple CCIE's the most.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> And it will likely affect the majoroty of CCIE's in the other
> direction,
> >>> since a little bit of the halo "one logo fits all" aspect may be
> >>> diminished
> >>> a bit. Kind of like being just an MCSE versus being an MCSE+Security
> or
> >>> MCSE+Messaging back in the day or a CNE versus a Master CNE, etc.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Don't feel bad employers are already asking for a CCNA or a CCIE to
> fill
> >>> positions with. Now the logos for everyone will make this even more
> >>> likely
> >>> since the logos kind of look alike. How's HR to know the difference,
> who
> >>> keeps track of these things anyway?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 1/18/09, Scott Morris <smorris@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> They likely are. Or someone will forward it on. Whether it makes a
> >>> difference or not is another story.
> >>>
> >>> Or whether it gets forwarded high enough up the chain, I'm not sure.
> >>> There
> >>> are a lot of things that can be changed in the world with grassroots
> >>> movements... perhaps this could be one of them? :)
> >>>
> >>> Scott
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: markom@gmail.com [mailto:markom@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Marko
> >>> Milivojevic
> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:01 PM
> >>> To: swm@emanon.com
> >>> Cc: Scott Morris; Scott M Vermillion; Yandy Ramirez; Andrew Larkins;
> >>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >>> Subject: Re: New CCIE logo
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 23:47, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Just promise me you won't open up a cert support ticket about it! :)
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Ah, you see! That's a bloody good idea! If I do that, the whole new
> >>> thing may collapse and they may be forced to roll back.
> >>>
> >>> Btw. new logos, suck on so many levels. Did you notice that there is
> >>> no vector version any longer? We're stuck with 3 sizes, which look
> >>> disgusting at best when printed out. Not to mention that there is no
> >>> official B&W version.
> >>>
> >>> What a sloppy work, I can't believe it. What the hell is wrong with
> >>> what once was the greatest certification program? Sure, I hold some
> >>> grudge about failing CCDE, but really, this is nonsense.
> >>>
> >>> And yeah, I hope they are reading.
> >>>
> >>>
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