From: Anbu (ksanpu@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Mar 20 2009 - 00:35:08 ART
Hi all
Me too failed because of this open ended questions, I have answered as
much as detail according to the Proctor's Advice , as he said write whatever
you know regard this and don't worry about your grammer. So took 30 min and
wrote but failed . Other than this Lab is okey , i could manage with in
that time frame
Regards,
Anbu
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Richard Humphries <Richardh@aos5.com>wrote:
> Yep, I failed mine. The proctor at lunch explained the short answers and
> said that we should not only answer the question but to explain it in as
> much detail as possible including possibly how we came up with the answer
>
> I opened a case with Cert Support asking if I paid for a re-read if they
> would grade the short answers as stated (answered in 4-5 words) or if it
> will be graded like the proctor mentioned at lunch.
>
> Here is his response, notice he states that the Short Answers can NOT be
> regarded. I just emailed him back asking him to clarify as their website
> says it does get regarded.
>
> From: Kathe Saccenti (ksaccent) [mailto:ksaccent@cisco.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:52 PM
> To: Richard Humphries
> Subject: FW: CCIE Lab Score Report - #090313-000100
>
>
>
> Richard,
>
> As manager of CCIE lab operations, your case was forwarded to me.
>
> It is our primary intention that a candidate should not have to spend a
> great deal of time answering these questions. The questions are designed so
> that you should be able to answer them in a few words. However, the
> operative word there is should. As these questions are open-ended they are
> subject to a candidate's interpretation. Therefore, you are definitely not
> penalized if your answer is longer or shorter, as long as you do answer the
> question asked.
>
> The reason why we state that most answers should be brief is to keep
> candidates from wasting too much time writing a long paragraphs when a
> single sentence will serve just as well. Whether you gave a long answer, or
> you were able to provide the appropriate and complete answer in 5 or 6 words
> should not make any difference. The grading proctor is purely going to look
> for the correct answer. I don't know if I agree with you should provide as
> much detail as possible without adding that as long as your detail is
> required in your opinion to answer the question correctly.
>
>
>
> If you request a reread on your exam, the core fundamentals section is not
> regraded. We do not provide a reread service for these questions.
> Therefore a grading proctor will not be able to review that portion of your
> exam at all.
>
>
>
> regards,
> Kathe
>
>
>
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> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Anthony Sequeira
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:09 PM
> To: Pavel Bykov
> Cc: Anthony Driver; ccie forum
> Subject: Re: Failing from oral part of lab exam
>
> Hi Pavel!
>
> I was told by Cisco that students can miss one regardless of 4 or 5.
>
> I think you may indeed be correct about a potential 5th question that
> does not count. Interesting.
>
> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
> Senior CCIE Instructor
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> On Mar 17, 2009, at 7:45 PM, Pavel Bykov wrote:
>
> > Hello Anthony.
> > Just a note when I saw "You will receive 4 questions via the
> > computer and
> > you must..." I immediately thought that you can either get 4 or 5.
> > But then
> > you mention that later on.
> >
> > Also, I heard that you can miss one, but only when you get 5
> > questions, not
> > 4. And that 5th question is a "beta question" like we are used to from
> > theoretical exams when new content is being tested.
> > Not sure how much of that are rumors/true.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Anthony Sequeira <
> > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes - people are indeed failing due to the new Core Knowledge section
> >> of the exam.
> >>
> >> It is an open-ended question written section consisting of four
> >> questions. You must answer at least three correctly.
> >>
> >> Here are some more facts:
> >>
> >> 7 You must complete this portion of the exam before you start
> >> the
> >> traditional configuration portion.
> >>
> >> 7 You have a total of 30 minutes to complete this section, you
> >> may finish early if you like and immediately begin your configuration
> >> section.
> >>
> >> 7 You will receive 4 questions via the computer and you must
> >> provide short answers using the computer interface. The questions are
> >> not oral in nature. Typical responses require 4 to 5 words at most.
> >>
> >> 7 Spelling and/or grammar does not count against you.
> >>
> >> 7 The questions are manually graded by a proctor. If you
> >> purchase
> >> an exam re-read, they will re-grade your question responses.
> >>
> >> 7 You may not return to the short answer questions once you have
> >> begun the configuration portion of the lab exam.
> >>
> >> 7 You will not receive a score when you complete this section,
> >> but you must pass this portion to pass the CCIE. You will receive
> >> your
> >> score in the open-ended section if you fail the exam. The score is
> >> reported as 0% or 100% (pass or fail). You may only miss one question
> >> in the section in order to pass.
> >>
> >> 7 Most students finish the 4 to 5 questions in approximately 12
> >> minutes.
> >>
> >> 7 The configuration portion of the exam has been reduced to
> >> accommodate this initial 30 minutes.
> >>
> >> 7 You still have a total of 8 hours that makeup the open-ended
> >> questions and the configuration portion.
> >>
> >> 7 You may not access the DOC-CD to answer these questions.
> >>
> >>
> >> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
> >> Senior CCIE Instructor
> >>
> >> asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
> >>
> >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
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> >> Outside US: 775-826-4344
> >>
> >> On Mar 17, 2009, at 5:34 PM, Anthony Driver wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have heard that some people have been failing because of the oral
> >>> part of
> >>> the lab exam. Is this true?
> >>>
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