Re: Cisco Announced change to R&S from Scott Morris on 2009-05-06 (Ccielab archives 05/2009)

This archive was generated : Mon Jun 01 2009 - 07:04:42 ART of underlying technologies, but I've never the REAL WORLD) run MPLS on top of exists on the edges only and back-ends into it COULD happen, I've just never, ever (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, CISSP, et al. 46;com kExpert.com">http://www.InternetworkExpert.com Sorry I did not mean to imply Frame was required for MPLS. I'm saying some Frame still exists and MPLS resides atop it. Is that better. MPLS is pretty kewl since it can use a lot of underlying technologies is what I was trying to say Scott. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_internetworkexpert.com <mailto:smorris_at_internetworkexpert.com>> wrote: What??? Frame Relay is the underlying architecture of MPLS networks??? Ummmm... hmmm. As you say "There you have it." ;) I didn't expect that you in particular were under an NDA. However, the whispers in the wind were. I'm not pointing fingers or naming names. However, like most things involving "rumors" it is much better to have the actual details rather than making things up or embellishing to tell a story along the way. Most "psychics" have some basis in fact where they can claim to having insight for their predictions. However, that doesn't mean they really have a sixth sense. It's about as good as saying that back in 2005, I called it that the next President was going to be a Democrat no matter who it was. Although I have a PoliSci minor, I am not a political analyst. *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al. JNCI-M, JNCI-ER smorris_at_internetworkexpert.com <mailto:smorris_at_internetworkexpert.com> Internetwork Expert, Inc. http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> Toll Free: 877-224-8987 Outside US: 775-826-4344 Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil...... Darby Weaver wrote: Sorry Scott, I was not bound to any NDA so my words are my own and not of Cisco. As DarkFiber said, my words are only an opinion and / or speculation. So they should not be considered factual by any means. However, for the record, I did mention some of these changes back on October/November and now they come to pass. I do expect a CCIE Recertification by some type of Hands-on lab to be forthcoming and will not be surprised when it does. Look at your current networks... what are you using? What is there and what is Cisco trying to sell a lot of these days? Everyone has the same insight. Frame did not go... why? Frame is still the underlying architecture of some perhaps many MPLS networks, as is ATM. IPv6 is not a bigger topic? Why? Well how many networks employee IPv6 in lieu of IPv4? There you have it. Supply and Demand. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_internetworkexpert.com <mailto:smorris_at_internetworkexpert.com> wrote: Chicken - egg.... Egg - chicken.... Blah, blah, blah. While it would be politically entertaining if the Cisco 360 program were somehow "required" for the CCIE lab exam, it wouldn't be feasible. Are you saying that nobody else knows about the tricks and traps? Or are you saying that the Cisco 360 program will have the actual lab exams and can train to them? Either way, doesn't that just put us right back to the same problem of people passing without actual knowledge? It would put more $$ in Cisco's pocket, but I really don't think that's the goal here. Long term that would be suicidal. Everyone's reacting to the changes. Some people are less adept at paying attention to NDA or internal information until the release date than others. :) But in the end, the question becomes who does it better. Will companies become obsolete? I doubt it. If you base it off of what's available today versus the lab in 6 months I'd agree they don't line up. But neither does the Cisco 360. :) One isn't more or less obsolete than the other. *Scott Morris*, CCIE*x4* (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al. JNCI-M, JNCI-ER smorris_at_internetworkexpert.com <mailto:smorris_at_internetworkexpert.com> Internetwork Expert, Inc. http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> Toll Free: 877-224-8987 Outside US: 775-826-4344 Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil...... Darby Weaver wrote: FYI: Here's where this scoop started on April 23rd: http://www.sadikhov.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=166881&st=0 <http://www.sadikhov.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=166881&st=0> The part that is being left out of this thread is the concept that in this change to the lab - the CCIE Grey Market Vendors are supposed to be targeted for obsoleteness and doen so by the tricks/traps that are to be introduced by the Cisco 360 Program. Ultimately/Theoretically the Cisco 360 Program would somehow become required in order for candidates to have a reasonable chance at passing the new CCIE RS Lab. That is the other shoe. And remember: The OEQ, the Frame-Realy, and everything else stays... You just don't get as many points for them now (Reference my all or nothing point spread above). Techically the 1-4 point or whatever will be spread about - but: Imagine that you have to configure all Frame for a whopping 1 point. Imagaine all vlans + trunking + etherchannel for a whopping 3 points. Imagine all OSPF "normal" tasks for say 1-2 points per grouping. That kind of "all or nothing"... same as today with a few more tasks per group and a few less points. Think Consolidation and "virtual points". Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net <http://www.ccie.net/> _______________________________________________________________________ Subscription information may be found at: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net <http://www.ccie.net/> _______________________________________________________________________ Subscription information may be found at: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html at http://www.ccie.net on Wed May 06 2009 - 01:43:46 ART title="Related messages"> [ Message body ]

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