Re: Open-Ended Questions in the CCIE Security Track

Hi,Jan

If cisco want filtered those easy CCIES, they can make a difficult questions
in the written exam , why they don't ? because cisco can make money from the
written exam.i think so.

Jimmy.

2009/5/18, Pieter-Jan Nefkens <pjnefkens_at_nefkensadvies.nl>:
>
> All,
>
> I think that the open ended questions in the lab are there as extra
> protection for those that think they can get a CCIE certification in two or
> three weeks time (or a month). There are several forums / blogs where people
> ask that question in that manner.
>
> They manage to get the written exam by doing a braindump and then try to do
> the lab exam. This has the result that a lot of persons fail the lab exam,
> with as a potential result, the labs might get easier, with as a result of
> that, the grading of CCIE becoming lower.
>
> So to protect the lab exam from persons that are attempting it and thinking
> that you can get a CCIE Lab exam by just having a braindump and not the
> experience, could be filtered by these open-ended questions..
>
> My guess is also that these open-ended questions are based on which
> technology you should use where. And that is something that comes from
> practice and experience, not from a braindump. That's also why it's an open
> question....
>
> So actually, to include some open ended questions on the lab exam, the
> result could be that those "get-your-ccie-within-a-month-or-two) might start
> to rethink and therefore some lab seats might open up for those that are
> working towards that goal for a longer term
>
> Just my 2 cents
>
> Pieter-Jan Nefkens
>
> On 18 mei 2009, at 07:53, Casim wrote:
>
> i too strongly agree with TIM.......!!!
>>
>> If CISCO really wants to filter the guys based upon the knowledge then
>> what
>> TIM has suggested is 100% TRUE or if Cisco wants to make bugs of it then
>> its
>> not good. If this is the case what is the value of written Exam. why dont
>> they filter at the written exam itself?
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Casim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Jimmy <cciebase_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Tim:)
>>>
>>> Jimmy
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/5/18, Tim <timcurci_at_roadrunner.com>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Scott-
>>>>
>>>> I do not think that anyone is questioning whether one should understand
>>>> what
>>>> is being asked vis-a-vis the blueprint...although I specifically
>>>> question
>>>> the timing of the release of the change in format of the security exam
>>>> since
>>>> the blueprint has recently been revised (i.e. more than 30 days notice
>>>> of
>>>> the change should have been given). For those taking the exam within the
>>>> next 90 days this is not what they paid for.
>>>>
>>>> Correct me if I am wrong, however, if one "fails" this 4-5 question
>>>> mini-quiz, then one fails the lab. I am not sure what a passing score on
>>>> this "quiz" is, nor will I ever know :). The whole thing seems somewhat
>>>> subjective to me.
>>>>
>>>> Four to Five questions is not a statistically valid pool of questions
>>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>> should invalidate the results of an 8-hour lab exam.
>>>>
>>>> If you fail the 4-5 question exam then Cisco should send you home and
>>>> refund
>>>> your $1,400.
>>>>
>>>> This is getting silly.
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Scott Morris
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:37 PM
>>>> To: Mohammed Gazzaz
>>>> Cc: ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com;
>>>>
>>> security_at_groupstudy.com
>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: Open-Ended Questions in the CCIE Security Track
>>>>
>>>> They're more about the application of knowledge. And that knowledge of
>>>> protocols is what should be cemented more in your brain now from
>>>> practicing for the lab exam. The "blueprint" covered by these
>>>> open-ended questions is the lab blueprint. Although it's written in
>>>> nature, it's about the application/knowledge of technologies.
>>>>
>>>> IMHO if you are practicing enough about how the different technologies
>>>> really work rather than concentrating on any particular command-line
>>>> memorization you'll have no problem at all with these things!
>>>>
>>>> We are compiling a list of sample questions/ideas and things of that
>>>> nature at the moment, and will be releasing materials in order to help
>>>> refresh your memory on things and drive away that fear, uncertainty and
>>>> doubt!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>>>>
>>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>>>
>>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>>
>>>> smorris_at_internetworkexpert.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>>
>>>> Power corrupts.
>>>>
>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mohammed Gazzaz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You are right, I should not be afraid but I am.
>>>>>
>>>>> I passed the written test last year and managed to score only 74%.
>>>>> I don't really have a good memory and it really hurts to fail the lab
>>>>>
>>>> because of 4 simple questions.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 14:57:29 -0400
>>>>> Subject: Re: Open-Ended Questions in the CCIE Security Track
>>>>> From: ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com
>>>>> To: mgazzaz_at_hotmail.com
>>>>> CC: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; security_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Technically if you passed the written - you are there already - that
>>>>>
>>>> test
>>>
>>>> is filled with OEQ.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Mohammed Gazzaz <mgazzaz_at_hotmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What Study materials do you guys
>>>>> recommend? and are 2 months enough to prepare for the OEQ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Will those be enough ? or do I need more materials?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yusif's book
>>>>>
>>>>> DOC CD
>>>>>
>>>>> CCIE Security Exam Quick Reference Sheets
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; security_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>>> Subject: Open-Ended Questions in the CCIE Security Track
>>>>>> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 02:46:38 +0100
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Starting the 15th June:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/announcements/index.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>>>>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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