Re: Open-Ended Questions in the CCIE Security Track from Scott Morris on 2009-05-18 (Ccielab archives 05/2009)

This archive was generated : Mon Jun 01 2009 - 07:04:43 ART would say that you could file a case with within the 90-day window. Contract law the original contract we had regarding lab was now different. I'm not a lawyer guess that this has dawned on someone at are smaller than what they were. When the they'll be smaller yet. They will not, It'll be a three-part exam. (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, 46;com kExpert.com">http://www.InternetworkExpert.com So You agree Cisco will let people in the 90 days window reschedule their lab dates so they can review their books in a reaction to the sudden announcement of OEQ ???? if really cisco do not care of money all they care :)) at last I really do not care of the OEQ or the T.S part , It will be great to have 10 or 20 OEQ not only 4 !!! the lab was 8 hours now it will be 7 and half hour so will they reduce the tasks in the lab !!!! I do not think so . any announcement ( like the OEQ ) will take affect after 90 days so they let people decide to spend more time on studying or spend more money for the lab , and of course cisco choose the money :)) so will they delete the written or the OEQ after adding the T.S in ??? after 5 years that will be a history like Nortel architect :)) On 5/18/09, *Scott Morris* <smorris_at_internetworkexpert.com <mailto:smorris_at_internetworkexpert.com>> wrote: I don't necessarily agree with that. There are plenty of things that Cisco does which I don't agree with. however, I do think the OEQs are an "ok" idea. I think the troubleshooting is a great idea, and I've been saying that for years. (formerly, I guess that was a complaint, but now that they finally agree with me it's an agreement!) I really don't believe the addition of the OEQs was because of $$. Will it lead to extra revenue? Perhaps. although you're as likely to have people drop their dates (not spend money) as you are to have people fail because of the OEQs. So that would make it a wash financially. While I can't speak for all the instructors I can tell you that I've never had a problem in telling Cisco what I think about their policies/programs. Granted, if it's anything disparaging, I tend to make comments to the appropriate people rather than publicly. Gets better results that way. :) but, if I personally come out with a comment in agreement with what Cisco is doing, you can be assured that it's because I really agree with it and not because I'm toting anyone's corporate line. Case 'n' point regarding public commentary though, I've made several comments about the "plaques" currently received by people who pass their lab which I still don't like what Cisco's done. But OEQs and Troubleshooting, I think are good ideas. Just my two cents. :) *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al. JNCI-M, JNCI-ER smorris_at_internetworkexpert.com <mailto:smorris_at_internetworkexpert.com> Internetwork Expert, Inc. http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> Toll Free: 877-224-8987 Outside US: 775-826-4344 Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil...... CCIE 2008 wrote: well said Tim Do not expect any of the CCIE instructors will say any word against Cisco , or cisco will be angry and they cannot afford that :) all are working to gain money from the CCIE candidates :) so it is better for all of them to break the rules and make any changes they want in the 90 days window you paid for something but why not you will exam in another thing :)) you paid for the written already and pass but why not 4 or 5 Q will make you pay for another 1400 $ + hotel+ fly fees !!!! so everything Cisco say is the best even the instructors will try to mock the truth by telling keeping Value or other none sense reasons . all about business and money nothing more :) exams are so much money gain than any other hardware product. Best regards On 5/18/09, Tim <timcurci_at_roadrunner.com> <mailto:timcurci_at_roadrunner.com> wrote: Scott- I do not think that anyone is questioning whether one should understand what is being asked vis-a-vis the blueprint...although I specifically question the timing of the release of the change in format of the security exam since the blueprint has recently been revised (i.e. more than 30 days notice of the change should have been given). For those taking the exam within the next 90 days this is not what they paid for. Correct me if I am wrong, however, if one "fails" this 4-5 question mini-quiz, then one fails the lab. I am not sure what a passing score on this "quiz" is, nor will I ever know :). The whole thing seems somewhat subjective to me. Four to Five questions is not a statistically valid pool of questions that should invalidate the results of an 8-hour lab exam. If you fail the 4-5 question exam then Cisco should send you home and refund your $1,400. This is getting silly. Tim -----Original Message----- From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Scott Morris Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:37 PM To: Mohammed Gazzaz Cc: ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com <mailto:ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>; security_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:security_at_groupstudy.com> Subject: Re: Open-Ended Questions in the CCIE Security Track They're more about the application of knowledge. And that knowledge of protocols is what should be cemented more in your brain now from practicing for the lab exam. The "blueprint" covered by these open-ended questions is the lab blueprint. Although it's written in nature, it's about the application/knowledge of technologies. IMHO if you are practicing enough about how the different technologies really work rather than concentrating on any particular command-line memorization you'll have no problem at all with these things! We are compiling a list of sample questions/ideas and things of that nature at the moment, and will be releasing materials in order to help refresh your memory on things and drive away that fear, uncertainty and doubt! *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al. JNCI-M, JNCI-ER smorris_at_internetworkexpert.com <mailto:smorris_at_internetworkexpert.com> Internetwork Expert, Inc. http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> Toll Free: 877-224-8987 Outside US: 775-826-4344 Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil...... Mohammed Gazzaz wrote: You are right, I should not be afraid but I am. I passed the written test last year and managed to score only 74%. I don't really have a good memory and it really hurts to fail the lab because of 4 simple questions. Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 14:57:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Open-Ended Questions in the CCIE Security Track From: ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com <mailto:ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com> To: mgazzaz_at_hotmail.com <mailto:mgazzaz_at_hotmail.com> CC: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>; security_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:security_at_groupstudy.com> Technically if you passed the written - you are there already - that test is filled with OEQ. On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Mohammed Gazzaz <mgazzaz_at_hotmail.com> <mailto:mgazzaz_at_hotmail.com> wrote: What Study materials do you guys recommend? and are 2 months enough to prepare for the OEQ? Will those be enough ? or do I need more materials? Yusif's book DOC CD CCIE Security Exam Quick Reference Sheets From: amsoares_at_netcabo.pt <mailto:amsoares_at_netcabo.pt> >> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>; security_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:security_at_groupstudy.com> Subject: Open-Ended Questions in the CCIE Security Track Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 02:46:38 +0100 >> Starting the 15th June: >> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/announcements/index.html >> Regards, >> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S) amsoares_at_netcabo.pt <mailto:amsoares_at_netcabo.pt> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net <http://www.ccie.net/> _______________________________________________________________________ Subscription information may be found at: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html _________________________________________________________________ See all the ways you can stay connected to friends and family http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/default.aspx Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net <http://www.ccie.net/> _______________________________________________________________________ Subscription information may be found at: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net <http://www.ccie.net/> _______________________________________________________________________ Subscription information may be found at: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net <http://www.ccie.net/> _______________________________________________________________________ Subscription information may be found at: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net <http://www.ccie.net/> _______________________________________________________________________ Subscription information may be found at: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html at http://www.ccie.net on Mon May 18 2009 - 14:16:22 ART title="Related messages"> [ Message body ]

Wouter Prins: "Re: IP Prefix-list"

mike arnold: "IP Prefix-list"

Antonio Soares: "Open-Ended Questions in the CCIE Security Track"

Contemporary messages sorted

by messages with attachments

hypermail 2.2.0