Re: CCIE(SP) Bootcamp- feedback required

hahaha.. i got it.. Roman has more CCIEs than Narbik has kids, and Narbik is
better looking. So Roman 1, Nabik 1. Both are great instructors. :P

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> *Should i say more????????*
>
> *Philosophy is different*. I do not even know this gentleman.
>
> Mate i hear lots of good stuff about you, i did a class in Chicago a while
> ago and some of my students were from Cisco, and they said that you were
> working there as a contractor/consultant, and they could NOT say enough
> good
> things about you. I jokingly told them "Well he has more CCIEs than i have
> kids" you can not have 5 CCIEs and NOT know your stuff.
>
> I was NOT questioning your knowledge at all. The philosophy of teaching
> versus lecturing was what i was trying to say.
>
> As far as free candidates, i think the best way to approach this is to let
> the students talk, and trust me they will and may be they have.
>
> You posted your last e-mail after i unicasted you that you were NOT what i
> was after, its amazing that you love this free publicity and i was getting
> accused of advertising my classes, go figure.
>
> Well this is my last e-mail regarding this stuff and i will NOT reply any
> more, i am too busy for this.
>
> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Kaushikkumar Randeriya <
> kranderiya_at_googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Roman,
> >
> > Sorry mate i don't like your philosophy or promise to customer. I know
> > your promise is false. You cheat people via false promise. I bought
> > your SP workbook nearly 2 years ago which is 1.2a. Before purchase I
> > did ask via mail i would like to buy new version 2. you reply it will
> > release soon. Buy now 1.2a version you will get free new version when
> > it is release. I believe it will release in few years.
> >
> > Cheers mate
> >
> > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Roman Rodichev <roman_at_iementor.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Dear Narbik,
> > >
> > > I'm not sure I'm the one who needs a deep breath, I don't seem to be
> > typing in all CAPS, you know?
> > >
> > > Anyway, let's not bore people with this, obviously it's off-topic. You
> > seem to have changed your position from "nobody coming close to what we
> are
> > doing" to "does not mean
> > > that you are NOT good". Regardless, I simply offered an opportunity to
> > let some volunteer see how nobody comes close to what you're doing in
> > Service Provider track. My
> > > offer still stands. Let's do two students.
> > >
> > > Do you offer a class that is affordable? - Is this part of philosophy?!
> > > Do you offer FREE retakes? - Is this part of philosophy?! Yes, we do
> > offer 1 free retake.
> > > Do you offer classes all over the world? - Again, is this a philosophy?
> > Seriously?!
> > > Do you do nothing but chalk talk? - Let the volunteer discover this.
> > > Besides i am much better looking than you are. - Let the volunteer
> decide
> > :)
> > >
> > > In my mind, philosophy is nothing about those things you mentioned. My
> > philosophy is to take the student through five 12-hour days of grueling
> labs
> > that cover everything on
> > > blueprint and make sure that the student understands each topic in and
> > out, whether it's done through labs, a chalk talk, a slide, or
> whatever...
> > >
> > > Peace
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> -------Original Message-------
> > >> From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> > >> Subject: Re: CCIE(SP) Bootcamp- feedback required
> > >> Sent: May 29 '09 01:48
> > >>
> > >> If you take a deep breath and close your eyes it will go away. I
> > promise
> > >> it won't hurt at all. Relax.
> > >> Do you teach the same way as i do?
> > >> If NOT then, the philosophy is different. Lot's of vendors do nothing
> > >> but power point, we don't, so from that angle, their philosophy is
> > >> different. Good or bad its up to the student.
> > >> If you are trying to compare or if you are trying to tell me that you
> > are
> > >> a better instructor, LET's not go there.
> > >> I do not teach the way you do, my business philosophy is very
> > different.
> > >> Do you offer a class that is affordable? Do you offer FREE retakes?
> Do
> > >> you offer classes all over the world? Do you do nothing but chalk
> talk?
> > >> If your answer is NO, then, our philosophy is different.
> > >>
> > >> Besides i am much better looking than you are.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Roman Rodichev <[LINK:
> > >> mailto:roman_at_iementor.com] roman_at_iementor.com> wrote:
> > >> Let's compare our philosophies, we take a volunteer (someone who
> > >> didn't take you r&s class) and have
> > >> him seat your first bootcamp in august and mine in september for free
> > :)
> > >> he will then express his opinion
> > >> independently
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > -------Original Message-------
> > >> > From: Narbik Kocharians <[LINK: mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com]
> > >> narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> > >> > Subject: Re: CCIE(SP) Bootcamp- feedback required
> > >> > Sent: May 28 '09 16:18
> > >> >
> > >> > NO,
> > >> > I am referring to Pricing and philosophy. Not only in SP but in
> R&S.
> > >> This
> > >> > does not mean that you are NOT good, it only means that our
> > philosophy
> > >> is
> > >> > very different.
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Roman Rodichev <[LINK:
> > >> mailto:roman_at_iementor.com] roman_at_iementor.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Dear Narbik, what does this mean? "once again i do not see any
> > >> vendors
> > >> > > coming close to what we are doing in SP." You are referring to
> > >> pricing, am
> > >> > > I right? :)
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Roman Rodichev
> > >> > > 5xCCIE #7927 (R&S, Security, Voice, Storage, Service Provider)
> > >> > > Instructor, Content Developer
> > >> > > ieMentor Corporation [LINK: http://www.iementor.com/]
> > >> http://www.iementor.com
> > >> > > Y!M: roman7927
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > From: [LINK: mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com]
> nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> > >> [mailto:[LINK: mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] nobody_at_groupstudy.com]
> On
> > >> Behalf Of
> > >> > > Narbik Kocharians
> > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:12 PM
> > >> > > To: Brad Ellis
> > >> > > Cc: Rick Mur; Andy Hogard; ccie 2008; Cisco certification
> > >> > > Subject: Re: CCIE(SP) Bootcamp- feedback required
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The schedules are NOT on the website but starting the second
> week
> > of
> > >> Aug,
> > >> > > we
> > >> > > will be conducting our boot camps and our work books will also
> be
> > >> ready for
> > >> > > purchase, once again i do not see any vendors coming close to
> what
> > >> we are
> > >> > > doing in R&S and SP.
> > >> > > For our old students the price is 1500 and new comers 2500.
> > >> > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Brad Ellis <[LINK:
> > >> mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com] brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Rick,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > We break our boot camp down into the first four days of
> focusing
> > >> on
> > >> > > > technologies, and then the last day of a mocklab.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > thanks,
> > >> > > > Brad Ellis
> > >> > > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > >> > > > CCSI# 30482
> > >> > > > CEO / President
> > >> > > > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Learning Partner (CLP)
> > >> > > > Email: [LINK: mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com] brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> > >> > > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > >> > > > Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA
> > >> > > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > >> > > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > >> > > > Training And Remote Racks: [LINK: http://www.ccbootcamp.com/]
> > >> http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > > From: [LINK: mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com]
> > nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> > >> [mailto:[LINK: mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] nobody_at_groupstudy.com]
> On
> > >> Behalf Of
> > >> > > > Rick Mur
> > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:57 AM
> > >> > > > To: Andy Hogard
> > >> > > > Cc: ccie 2008; Cisco certification
> > >> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE(SP) Bootcamp- feedback required
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Narbik's bootcamp is in the pipeline I believe.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I did the INE bootcamp, Brian McGahan was great! But there is
> no
> > >> > > > technology lecture, just mocklabs and reviewing those and
> diving
> > a
> > >> > > > little deeper in the technology while doing that.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Don't know the others unfortunately.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Regards,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Rick Mur
> > >> > > > CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / SP)
> > >> > > > [LINK: mailto:rick_at_rickmur.com] rick_at_rickmur.com
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On 27 mei 2009, at 15:45, Andy Hogard wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > Looks like you forgot Narbik!! ;)
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:42 PM, ccie 2008 <[LINK:
> > >> mailto:amrith.ccie_at_gmail.com] amrith.ccie_at_gmail.com>
> > >> > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >> Hi Experts,
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > > > >> i am planing to attend CCIE SP bootcamp ( virtual).
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > > > >> i have shortlisted 3 vendors
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > > > >> 1. INE
> > >> > > > >> 2.IPexpert
> > >> > > > >> 3. ie mentor.
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > > > >> Your feedback/suggestions about these 3 vendors is highly
> > >> > > > >> appreciated
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > > > >> Cheers
> > >> > > > >> Amrith
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